Thread: EV general discussion

What I don’t like about the EV brigade is the fact that it is being forced onto people.

If an EV is so good, so cheap, and doesn’t have range issues - then shouldn’t they be flying out the door? Why are tax insentives needed if EV’s are so brilliant?

Build a better mouse trap and the world will beat a path to your door?

Yet governments are saying “you aren’t buying these quickly enough so we are going to force you into them”

How far should we go? Talking to someone at work she thinks that we should all be vegans because the beef and dairy industry are huge carbon polluters. In her eyes we should all be forced into becoming vegans. In her eyes it’s not an option - it’s a complete no brainer and should be law.

While we are at it - why not ban TV, radio, movies and streaming services. All waste electricity in the name of entertainment.

Let’s ban alcohol, carbonated drinks, smokes, chips, lollies, cakes - think of the health benefits. Think of the electrity that we be saved!

Let’s ban air conditioning and heaters. Humans should learn to live in our own natural environment. Sure there might be some deaths in the elderly and infirm, but hey - that’s got to help the planet as well!

Let’s ban airline travel - imagine the benefits to the planet!

Let’s ban space exploration and satellites! Think of the energy wasted! Why should we be allowed to pollute space - it’s not ours.

Let’s ban motorsport- even more benefits to the planet!

Let’s get to the root of the problem - ban all humans. None of us should be allowed to have kids and our race should die off. Think about that - within a short timeframe (50 years?) of humans dying off, the planet would soon return to ideal health.

While we are at it - let’s ban all types of sports! Think of the electricity that goes into lighting up a big stadium like the MCG! Think of the electricity used in swimming pools! Ban the lot!

Believe it or not - I get it, the planet is stuffed and we as humans are only making it worse. We have to do something and every little bit counts.

But don’t shove your ideas down my throat because you don’t have the answers. Nobody does. I am excited about the fact that people are trying. That people want to make a different.

Cheers,
GG

The problem is the amount of CO2 emissions. It is not the emissions per person, but the total emissions, which is the emissions per person multiplied by number of people.

Putting a lot of effort into reducing emissions per persons while at the same time allowing population to increase unfettered is quite clearly a waste of effort, whether you look at Australia or the world.

To put it bluntly, what the world needs, more than EVs is either a really good pandemic (not the halfhearted one we are in), or another really good war. Failing these, unless the rate of population increase is cut to below zero for a few decades, famine will do the job as food production is reduced by climate change. And remember that the current situation, with risk of famine (on average) is enabled by high use of fossil fuels, from chemical fertilisers, to farm machinery, to shipping.

Fortunately, there are some indications that in some key areas population increase is decreasing, and even becoming negative, or at least signs it will. Two countries specifically are Japan, and China, both with aging populations, and the latter with the legacy of "one child per family".

Originally Posted by JDNSW

The problem is the amount of CO2 emissions. It is not the emissions per person, but the total emissions, which is the emissions per person multiplied by number of people.

Putting a lot of effort into reducing emissions per persons while at the same time allowing population to increase unfettered is quite clearly a waste of effort, whether you look at Australia or the world.

To put it bluntly, what the world needs, more than EVs is either a really good pandemic (not the halfhearted one we are in), or another really good war. Failing these, unless the rate of population increase is cut to below zero for a few decades, famine will do the job as food production is reduced by climate change. And remember that the current situation, with risk of famine (on average) is enabled by high use of fossil fuels, from chemical fertilisers, to farm machinery, to shipping.

Fortunately, there are some indications that in some key areas population increase is decreasing, and even becoming negative, or at least signs it will. Two countries specifically are Japan, and China, both with aging populations, and the latter with the legacy of "one child per family".

Spot on….

Thats what UN Agenda 21 was supposed to be all about, depopulate the world. Covid 19 didn't work. Whats left, Either we will eat & pollute ourselves to extinction or Putin will do the job with much less desirable outcome for the planet.
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good lord I thought this was an EV thread, but its actually "the internet's most insane conspiracy theories about EVs"

Originally Posted by akelly

good lord I thought this was an EV thread, but its actually "the internet's most insane conspiracy theories about EVs"

Apart from the Agenda 21 garbage, what others are you eluding too?

Charged EVs | Jeep unveils its first three battery-electric SUVs - Charged EVs

I wonder if the 400Miles range is correct?
That is huge compared to many others.

Maybe in an Engineers theoretical calculation but with 600hp on tap and something that probably weights well over 3000kg unladen, I would put my money on that being a ‘no’

OEM’s aren’t doing themselves or EV’s any favours by over quoting range - given its the single biggest issue raised when you talk to people about EV’s, having them pull up well short of claims in the real world will make people even more gun shy IMO.

It would probably need something like a 240KWH battery to get that far - around a 3 hour fast charge when you need to top up, or 24 hours in the garage from a home charger.

And even if you thought all the physics would work - do you actually trust Jeep of all people to tell the truth?