Thread: EV general discussion

I was in Kilmore tonight.

Bloke comes up to the Woolies counter and asks about the electric charger for his motorbike.

The charger is not working.

This is looked after by centre managment.

They are not there at 7.00 on a Saturday night.

Motorbike rider is stuck.

Originally Posted by chuck

I was in Kilmore tonight.

Bloke comes up to the Woolies counter and asks about the electric charger for his motorbike.

The charger is not working.

This is looked after by centre managment.

They are not there at 7.00 on a Saturday night.

Motorbike rider is stuck.

Bit of a bugger if he's headed to the other side of "Pretty Sally".

I have a Cousin who lives in London.

He has been telling me the thieves have been cutting off the charging leads of the EV chargers, for the copper,which they sell as scrap.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

The major countries to drive on the left can be summarised as :-

UK, Japan, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand. 'Also rans" include South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, and a string of smaller countries.

Of these it is perhaps worth noting that India, Indonesia, Thailand, while not having very high car ownership today, make up for it by the size of the population, and have a rising living standard. India is expected to become the largest country by population in the fairly near future.

The also rans as you call them, are mostly part of the British Empire the greatest superpower the world has ever seen by scale, which has now been surpassed by it's little brother the USA, the greatest superpower by military might and influence to this day. People think that "the sun never set on the British Empire" is just a saying, but actually from NZ, Aus, Hong Kong in the east, followed by India, Ceylon, Africa and finally to Canada in the west, the sun really did not set on the empire!

Originally Posted by Tins

While I'd like to discuss just what it is you feel needs to be reversed, that's a sure path to CA.



I'm really struggling to understand your argument. There are absolutely no disincentives to EV purchase here. In fact the scales are very much tipped in their favour. The artificial inflation of fuel prices is one way ( lot to say about that but the CA thing looms ). The various tax concessions are another. EV allocations? Once again, this is a RHD market and thus a drop in the ocean for the big players, but EV deliveries are doing better than others. NO, the biggest disincentive to EVs in this country is that they are totally unsuited to it. We cover distances in a year that most Europeans wouldn't in their lifetime, and EVs are hopeless at that. Our grid is in no way ready for an influx of what amounts to at least double the average household consumption eating EVs. And most Aussies that I have known do not want to have to plan every journey around a wall outlet. I know that I don't. I want to go where the whim takes me and not have to come home on a tow truck ( although my car of choice is capable of giving me that luxury ).

The thing that will take a long time is getting EVs accepted without some sort of evangelistic force.



Australia always takes cars from the higher specced end of the market. The vast majority of cars sold here already meet the harshest regulations of the EU. Even the cheaper imports from closer to home meet US specs, and California is on about the same levels as the EU, so fuel consumption is world class. It's only been things like Landcruisers, which didn't sell in Europe, that have not been at that level, and that's changing right now.

AS for not caring about emissions, are you serious? Govt policies on emissions have decimated the power industry. Victoria in particular is actively campaigning to get gas cooking out of the household, while at the same time having massive gas reserves they are happy to sell os. Wind turbines blot the landscape all over the place, and more are being built daily.

A quick search shows that the waiting list for a Tesla is quite a bit shorter than pretty much any Toyota atm. My DIL just dropped off the list for her Y62 ( ordered 6 months ago, still more than 12 to wait ) and grabbed a demo that came up.

ALL new cars are hampered by the supply chain issue that has plagued us since covid. EVs are no different. Even the shortage of chips from TSMC is causing problems for car builders, and unfortunately the elephant in that room is potentially their biggest single customer, Apple, who won't wait while Tesla gets a few chips. While I'm sure TSMC has contingencies, it's still a big factor.

Electric vehicle (EV) discounts and incentives per state in Australia | RACV.

Tax Concessions for Electric Vehicles - Pilot Partners.

Waiting for an EV? New Tesla Model 3s available in less than a month.

So, deep breath .. what don't you understand?

1. Yes Tesla has reasonably supply of one model. The link you provided to was a small amount of model 3's they have in excess. I believe they were cancellations .. people cancelling for another model. For the most part Tesla has multiple month waits. Probably not as long as Toyota, but they brought that on themselves.

Most manufacturers have many month waits. Some exceeding 12 months. Demand for EV's far far exceeds the supply we are seeing in Australia. Many manufacturers are "express an interest and we'll let you know when we have cars". Hyundai are releasing 100-200 cars every few months in a whacky online bidding process!

Number of electric vehicles on Australian roads soars as demand exceeds supply | Electric vehicles | The Guardian

2. The reason why this is happening is because in places like europe manufacturers have to hit an average fuel consumption across all their sales. The targets are hard and biting with big penalties. The best way for them to meet their average and not get penalised is by selling EV's. It's either that or buy EV credits of other manufacturers who have exceeded their targets (ouch).

Please do read this and see what the Euros are facing and why manufacturers are sending as many EV's as they can there. This is what I'm talking about.

CO₂ emission performance standards for cars and vans

3. No, I do not expect you or anyone to go and buy and EV. Do whatever works and whatever makes you happy.

We sell a million vehicles a year in Australia. Some of them do long road trips and all sort of things that make them unsuitable for being an EV at this point. How about we worry about them later? Let's do what is easy now.

In the meantime, there are a LOT of cars that would be perfectly suitable to be an EV. Our EV will replace our VW golf. It just drives around the city. In the 7 years we've owned it - If it had been an EV like the one we are ordering, I can only think of two trips (in seven years) where we might have needed to charge outside the home. It does most of the trips we as a family do.

Meanwhile on the other side of the garage we have the defender. If we're going on a trip, or towing something, or doing something that the EV can't do then we can use that. There.. easy as. Man it's hard enough to charge a phone on Fraser Is let alone a car.

4. Don't worry about the grid. It's going to be OK. Energy providers have lots of levers they can pull and they will work it out. Just in the last few days I see we've got our first EV plan on the market. Power companies are encouraging people to charge when they have excess power, and discouraging them from charging at peak times. Easy as. I expect more developments in this space too. Long term there is potential that they might use EV's as grid storage and all sorts of cool things.

https://www.originenergy.com.au/elec...s/energy-plan/

5. Regardless of whether you like EV's, believe in climate change etc etc... It makes really good sense to make city cars EV's to improve our fuel security.. which is frankly quite tenuous.

https://australiainstitute.org.au/po...search-report/

6. Again.. I don't give a flying anything if you want to drive your ICE car. Hell I'll be driving mine when appropriate. Let me say this however, buying an EV I believe is a solid justifiable decision for our family. No longer will I be paying over $100 to fill up a poxy 1.4l car! Nope just pick a sunny day and plug it in once or twice a week for free charging.

No longer will I be being extorted by VW for servicing and fixing of things that just should not break. No more $400 for a yearly service where they don't really do anything. I'm not sure whether you're aware but EV's require significantly less servicing. Basically it's just check the brake fluid every two years and that's it.

And the best part - if I've got a job or a trip that needs to be done I can just take the defender off charge and jump in.

And.. you know what.. EV's drive really well too! Suuuper nice.

I forgot.. point 7!

Yes governments are now starting to support EV's. The federal government were anti EV until the last change, so the states were trying to make up for it. Australia was happily subsidising the purchase of diesel utes but very much not EV's. Governments right around the world are competing for EV supply. It's just how it is.

Utes beaut? Tax write-offs are carrying the hopes of Australia's recovery

If Australia is to meet emissions targets EV's are going to have to be part of the solution. It's unavoidable. The sooner we get on with it .. the easier it will be later.

The Ram 1500 REV will enter production next year and arrive in dealerships in late 2024.

Following the world debut of the 1500 Revolution BEV Concept at CES 2023 last month, Ram Trucks has surprised everyone with the unveiling of its production electric pickup, the 1500 REV, in a Super Bowl commercial.
2025 Ram 1500 REV Debuts In Super Bowl Ad As Brand's First EV Pickup
touch down? 2025 sound very like the date for solid state batteries???



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Range Extender!! Will it be ICE or Hydrogen? Just listened to the video and got a Disco replacement option perhaps?

We have a range extender on the work Ram one of our techs drives - it’s a long range tank running the Diesel engine…. Gets around 1200KM on a tank…

Not sure how far the EV version will go towing the 3.2 tonne service trailer but I’m betting it wouldn’t make it as far as it needs to go each day.