Thread: Electric vehicles. The problem no one wants to deal with.

Originally Posted by goingbush

They are not looking at the big picture. More money will be save on health care than is generated by fuel excise due to the zero emissions of EV's

Road tax is not difficult, NewZealand have system that works. There is no excise on Diesel . Vehicles over 3500kg have a GPS device or a hub odometer to calculate road tax, its called RUC , Road User Charge . EV's will use the same system from 2021.

Road user charges exemption for electric vehicles extended | Beehive.govt.nz

Within that system as such the government in NZ says it so much a tonne Road tax on an increasing weight scale as the weight of the actual car/truck is supposed to be causing "more" wear on the roads due to its weight but we still basically have a minimum RUC of 3 metric tonnes yet many lighter cars are below that.... I have a EV there and solar so its great at the moment but they are talking intrducing the SAME rate of RUC for electric cars which will really increase costs and actually act as a a disincetive to buy them as such, rumour is goverment may have to overhaul actual rate per tonne of RUC and maybe put in a lower rate for EVs to still keep the interest up in buying EVS , various proposals mooted to give $5000 off sale price etc but as we know the price on the car goes up from the dealer to match that or as much as they can get away with, other proposals re new taxes etc, its complicated!!!

Funny this thread encouraged me to look at the USA experience where there are lots of charging stations. There is a video about the difficulties in charging caused by numerous different standards and apps that are required and different adaptors to charge say a TeslaX.

This then prompted me to look at how many Supoerchargers there are on the Central Coast.
There is one station with 6 chargers.
However the directions are that it is down the road Bunnings is on at Tuggerah and you drive next to Spotlight then up ramps to the top floor of a parking station . This would be very interesting with a caravan.
Also in the USA Tesla apparently is the only vehicle with the charge port at the rear in the taillight and the cords were not long enough on several stations to reach nosed in. This would seem to preclude a Tesla with a van or trailer being able to be charged and at Superchargers in general the car has to be reversed in..
Regards PhilipA

Originally Posted by Tombie

Besides your political and environmental views...
Are you at ANY stage going to post anything to do with LRs?

In answer to your post above - Majority... key word... 50.1% makes something a majority...

It’s only “unfair” when viewed from the perspective of the “minority” - as they say “Some days you’re the dog; other days you’re the fire hydrant.”

Firstly what I post is up to me. Since when does someone have the right to tell someone else what to post?!

But I’ll take your bait because you’re obviously interested, or is that annoyed? by what I post.

This whole thread is relevant to Land Rovers and all fossil fuel powered vehicles.

As you know I’ve contributed many posts in the Defender 663 thread, but got tired of the circuitous discussion about a vehicle no one’s driven yet. The majority of other threads, while very interesting are also very repetitive, so not much need to post there so far.

This thread is more balanced and very interesting IMO.

Hope your having a great day Tombie.

PS: your political and environmental views are abundantly clear too.

Getting back to the matter at hand?
A road usage fee/tax would be unfair to someone like me.
I live in a remote place, just for SWMBO to do the X-mas shopping is a 6-7 hour, 400km drive.
We drive to Mt Isa or Normanton for all sorts of reasons all of the time - do the banking, medical reasons, meetings, get urgently required equipment & so on.
So, for the majority to go to the computer shop it's what? Maybe 20k? For us its 400k + a motel room!
I don't see how a Km tax or road usage tax can be fair & equitible?
Please enlighten me if you can.
BTW I ain't moving to no City!!
Jonesfam

Originally Posted by jonesfam

Getting back to the matter at hand?
A road usage fee/tax would be unfair to someone like me.
I live in a remote place, just for SWMBO to do the X-mas shopping is a 6-7 hour, 400km drive.
We drive to Mt Isa or Normanton for all sorts of reasons all of the time - do the banking, medical reasons, meetings, get urgently required equipment & so on.
So, for the majority to go to the computer shop it's what? Maybe 20k? For us its 400k + a motel room!
I don't see how a Km tax or road usage tax can be fair & equitible?
Please enlighten me if you can.
BTW I ain't moving to no City!!
Jonesfam

You are paying a form of road usage tax now in fuel excise. Don't forget it is a free country and it was your choice to live where you do. No fences, guns, guard towers keeping you there. If the various levels of government have to provide a 400 km road to the shops then someone has to pay for it. User pays would be a fairer method than the present one.

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

You are paying a form of road usage tax now in fuel excise. Don't forget it is a free country and it was your choice to live where you do. No fences, guns, guard towers keeping you there. If the various levels of government have to provide a 400 km road to the shops then someone has to pay for it. User pays would be a fairer method than the present one.

So all the cockies and sod busters come into town and join the dole queue, what do we eat, Brian?

Originally Posted by V8Ian

So all the cockies and sod busters come into town and join the dole queue, what do we eat, Brian?

I remember taking and rejecting a pension claim from a cockie in my DSS days by reason of their assets. This guy was a rude arrogant pos and said "What do we eat. We can't eat red dirt." I had the proper ****s with him by this and replied "Well, you have $3,000,000 worth of it. That should feed you for a good while."

There has to be a taxation system devised to pay for running the country that fairly taxes all. Fuel excise and grog excise tax only those who use the stuff. Income tax only taxes wage and salary earners. Council rates only tax land owners.

Do you remember Road Maintenance Contributions? An impost only on a segment of the transport industry. Resented by all and many including myself never paid it until a pair of coppers arrived with an arrest warrant and then only paid what was asked for. Many owner operators went to gaol as this negated the debt. This was called "eating it out." In the end it was revoked as it was costing more to collect than what was collected. It would have been an acceptable tax if it applied to ALL road users. Car, bikes, trucks, buses.

I thought road tax was primarily to protect and subsidise the various state owned railways.
The blockades of '79 set the ball rolling for its abolition, Queensland being the first state to repeal the laws, in a populist decision.
At the time I was still learning my craft, punting other people's body trucks around town.

Totally agree that we need a fairer method of tax collection.