Thread: Electric vehicles. The problem no one wants to deal with.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

That wouldn't road tax Steve. Road tax was a ton/mile charge imposed separately from excise. Brian could tell you how it was paid/calculated/avoided.

Your correct, Ian. I was keeping it short.
What I was getting at was the fact that, when you fuel a boat, even at a dedicated marine fuelling dock/marina, you are still paying the excise that is supposedly used for infrastructure and road maintenance.

Originally Posted by Saitch

Your correct, Ian. I was keeping it short.
What I was getting at was the fact that, when you fuel a boat, even at a dedicated marine fuelling dock/marina, you are still paying the excise that is supposedly used for infrastructure and road maintenance.

That excice can be claimed back, as can the excise on any non-road use fuel such as mower, generator, earthmoving equipment or even ice pack etc. It's not easy and most people find the hoops to be jumped through, too many and difficult to be viable. I'm sure that wasn't the taxman's intent.

interesting topic!

I know I compare .au to my neck of the woods fairly often I guess when replying to topics, can't help it sorry

Anyway, it is funny to see how a huge country on the other end of the world goes through somewhat similar taxation development as we do.

Down here taxation in fuel has been discussed/proposed throughout the years but the harsh truth is; 85% of our fuel price is already a taxation in one way or another. Just think about that figure for a second... On the other hand we have a system where both weight and fuel type determine the amount of tax you pay. THe heavier the car, the more tax you pay. That seems only logical since heavier vehicles wear the road faster.

Now, on to EV's. Those things are bloody heavy! The energy density of a battery is and probably will remain for the unforeseen future considerably lower then fuel. The tesla most seen around here weighs in at 2300kg IIRC which is heavier then my P38! They are exempt at this time because climate policy crap but when they have to start paying full taxes I wonder if people will keep on buying them. I also wonder what will happen with the 85% over millions of litres of fuel of income that the government will loose.

Personally I would like to see taxation on actual environmental impact, both on production as well as use. Probably not going to happen

Cheers,
-P

There will be a mobility tax of some sort put on electric vehicles in the near future as the tax stream from fuel will need to be replaced. U.K. government has already increased purchase tax and registration fees on electric vehicles by tightening definition and charging those who do not meet this more. Has caused a hit on the value of cars that do not meet the new standards.They are also investigating ways of putting a tax on the electricity used when plugged in and charging.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

That excice can be claimed back, as can the excise on any non-road use fuel such as mower, generator, earthmoving equipment or even ice pack etc. It's not easy and most people find the hoops to be jumped through, too many and difficult to be viable. I'm sure that wasn't the taxman's intent.

I'm pretty certain that it became impossible to claim back excise on petrol decades ago. Also, it is not any offroad use that can be claimed back, although I don't know the details. But you are right, it is not easy, and you have to be registered, and I think you need an ABN number.

I also wonder what will happen with the 85% over millions of litres of fuel of income that the government will loose.

Oh, they will drop the price per/l down to 20c just to get shot of it like a clearance sale. Won't they?

Originally Posted by Saitch

Your correct, Ian. I was keeping it short.
What I was getting at was the fact that, when you fuel a boat, even at a dedicated marine fuelling dock/marina, you are still paying the excise that is supposedly used for infrastructure and road maintenance.

SH, unless you are paying extra for Navigation charges wouldn't that then apply to Marina, wharf, buoyage & all the gear & services that goes with operating a boat? It'd be the olde User Pays thingo, shirley?

The government supplied boat facilities are state not federal, and are used to justify the registration charges made on the boats. The marina facilities are either charged direct to users as mooring fees, and/or recovered through rental charges to retailers such as the owner of the fuelling facility and the associated shops.

None of the excise ever finds its way from federal consolidated revenue back into boating.

Perhaps some of it does find its way back into used such as my firefighting pump, but definitely not into my lawn mower usage or my backup generator.