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    RRC Running Rough

    Hi all, I have an issue that I can't seem to track down with my RRC.

    1989 3.5L flapper, auto.

    Recently the amplifier on the dizzy died while we were out 4WDing and it lost all spark. I had a spare 3.9L engine at home out of a '94 so I swapped dizzies and joined up the wires off that amplifier to my existing wiring. I just joined the black/white to black/white and white to white.

    It started and ran fine, but it now has an issue where when I put it into gear it drops a few cylinders and runs really rough until I get the revs up. It has always idled a bit high, so I adjusted the hex air mixture screw on the throttle body all the way in then to 2 1/2 turns out, Idle was about 800rpm, it was intermittently missing and running a little rough in park, when putting into gear, it was really bad. So I wound the screw out until it was stable in gear, but this put the idle in park at 1500rpm. Even with the idle this high, it still drops cylinders in gear.

    Timing was at 6 deg BTDC, I advanced it to 10. No pinging, runs great with the revs up, but as soon as it idles in gear it runs really bad and almost stalls. Give the accelerator a bit of a jab and it comes good.

    Cap, rotor button and plugs are new, leads are all good, vacuum advance works, coil is good, but I swapped it out for another one and no difference.

    It was running fine until this other dizzy went in, now this.

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    The screw on the Throttle Body is the Idle Screw.
    The screw on the Flapper, is the Mixture screw.
    Depending on which one you turned, you could have stuffed things up that way.
    As in running way to Lean or Rich.


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    But it was running that way straight after I changed the dizzy. I was adjusting the screws to try and get it right.

    What is the correct setting for the mixture screw? Is that one 2 1/2 turns from all the way in?

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    The Mixture screw (the Flapper one) is 2.5 turns. But that is just a guide so as to get the thing running. Further tweaks should be carried out.
    It sounds like a whole heap of things have been changed at once kinda thing.
    Put everything back the way it was a start again.
    You say it was running that way straight after you changed the Dizzy.
    So put it all back the way it was, and systematically go over everything.
    You'll do ya head in otherwise.

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    Don't bother with the mixture screws. I had a RRC come in the other day with exactly the same problem. The adjustment you need to do is the clearance between the spiky rotor and the magnetic pickup inside the distributor. Unscrew the plastic cover, slightly loosen the 3 posts that the cover sits on, then carefully move the entire pickup plate so the air gap is around 5 thou. Check carefully for clearance to rotate before restarting!

    The issue is simply that with a large air gap the voltage that is produced by the pickup falls below the minimum to reliably trip the ignition module. Reduce the gap and the voltage is within tolerance to a much lower revs.

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    Which is exactly the advice I give other people. But in this case, the spark stopped. I diagnosed it as the amplifier on the side of the dizzy. I also found out that my original dizzy does not spin freely when rotated and let spring back. So I just swapped out the complete unit.

    If I put the original back in, it doesn't run, as it has the dead amplifier. Looking at it, I don't even think the amplifier will swap over to the old dizzy. The only ting that has really changed, is the dizzy. I reused the original new cap, button and leads that were on the original one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    Don't bother with the mixture screws. I had a RRC come in the other day with exactly the same problem. The adjustment you need to do is the clearance between the spiky rotor and the magnetic pickup inside the distributor. Unscrew the plastic cover, slightly loosen the 3 posts that the cover sits on, then carefully move the entire pickup plate so the air gap is around 5 thou. Check carefully for clearance to rotate before restarting!

    The issue is simply that with a large air gap the voltage that is produced by the pickup falls below the minimum to reliably trip the ignition module. Reduce the gap and the voltage is within tolerance to a much lower revs.
    Now that you say that, I do remember having to do exactly that when I replaced the vacuum advance module on the old dizzy. The plate moved and wouldn't start, so I had to reset the air gap. Thanks BU.

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    Bee Utey helped me out with my ignition module replacement. At first i plugged the wires around the wrong way and the car ran rough, similar to what you have described.
    Although logic dictates against it, have you tried reversing the wires so the colours don't match up?

    If I remember correctly the polarity of the wires dictates whether the spark fires on the leading side or the trailing side of the of the rotor button. I may have this wrong but either way it throws the timing out, enough to make the car run poorly.

    The worst that will happen is your care will not run at all, until you put the wires back.

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    Ditto,

    - Like a hairy mis ing goat...


    - With the gap as 'normal' because I wanted to see how much it needed the smaller one.

    It did.


    Edit: -I also replaced the original rotor arm with the FORD one.
    Cap is till original. (too much of a Scrooge... and it's working perfectly with new leads)

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    A bit of time has passed, but I thought I would update this.

    The air gap setting fixed my issue. But I had developed another one. I dropped the nose in water a few months back and the other dizzy I fitted had a hole in the front of it through which an ample amount of water entered the engine. It also killed the resistor pack. I have since replaced the resistor pack, but every now and then it dropped a cylinder. I traced it to number 2 injector. Turns out that over time, it must have gotten a dirty connection in the loom somewhere, so after unplugging every plug on the injection harness and spraying liberal amounts of contact cleaner into them, it seems to have fixed the issue.

    Another thing that I have noticed is that since I've had the car, it has always been really fuelly smelling out of the exhaust. I think the cold start injector hasn't been shutting off properly, I disconnected the fuel line from it and blocked it off, now it doesn't smell.

    I have yet to take it on a run to see if it has indeed been sorted, but all signs are good so far.

    My next step is to do the hotwire conversion. I have the complete 3.9L out of a 94 RRC, I was going to swap engines, but as mine is still good, I am just going to swap the manifold over and convert it to the MAF setup.

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