Thread: ARB Crush Cans

That's because ARB can't idiot proof the bars and as we become more like the US in our lack of self responsibility. If the Pistorius case was in the USA, I bet the gun manufacturer would also get charged for something that's outside of its control.

I think the bars are fine as long as you don't recover off them like an idiot - thats they key. Each point will take at least 6000kg I would expect. Those point were put on as recovery point originally, you don't need tow points when the vehicle already has them

Originally Posted by Slunnie

I think the bars are fine as long as you don't recover off them like an idiot - thats they key. Each point will take at least 6000kg I would expect. Those point were put on as recovery point originally, you don't need tow points when the vehicle already has them

Yeah, but they look cool
Personally I don't trust the bar eyelets, but a swivel RUD point on the bars looks the ducks guts

Originally Posted by Disco Muppet

Yeah, but they look cool
Personally I don't trust the bar eyelets, but a swivel RUD point on the bars looks the ducks guts

I would trust the ARB eyelets significantly more than any point that has been drilled in. They have behind them a very stiff mount that isn't going to crack or fatigue. If you drill into the front of a bar a tow point then you probably either going into a flat surface that will be prone to cracking, bending and possibly allowing te point to pull through. If its on the bar uprights it will bent the mounts. The chassis recovery mounts also generates an enormous leverage through the bolts... Probably more than twice the snatching force. The ARB bar is a very well engineered bit of kit.

Originally Posted by Slunnie

I would trust the ARB eyelets significantly more than any point that has been drilled in. They have behind them a very stiff mount that isn't going to crack or fatigue. If you drill into the front of a bar a tow point then you probably either going into a flat surface that will be prone to cracking, bending and possibly allowing te point to pull through. If its on the bar uprights it will bent the mounts. The chassis recovery mounts also generates an enormous leverage through the bolts... Probably more than twice the snatching force. The ARB bar is a very well engineered bit of kit.

I'm not an engineer, but to my logic, if the ARB eyelets couldn't be used to recover from, why mount the winch in the bar instead of a cradle, I'm with you Slunnie, I remember them being called recovery points, by ARB, and I think the backwards step is just a bit of ass covering.
And without trying to turn this into another recovery point thread, I think the issue is more how to connect to those eyelets in regards to shackles. The thread in the "verandah" I think has a fair bit on this.

Ah ok, I'll leave it there if its been covered already.

In terms of connecting to the points on the bar, I just put the shackle pin through it and the strap(s) or winch cable off that.

The ARB Sahara bar (which is the one that I have and which this thread originally was about) does not have any built in tow/recovery points on it. I believe it is only their standard bars that have these.

Originally Posted by twr7cx

THIS IS MY EXACT POINT TO YOU IN THE POST ABOVE! What I would suggest to you is that you should insert the term 'snatch' in-between 'NO' and 'recovery'.

Yes, you are right, I meant no snatch recovery, but omitted snatch.My mistake. The point I was trying to make, not in a very good way, I admit, after seeing the photo of the damaged squash can, was that that could happen both from frontal impact,or an over vigorous snatch.[ in the other direction, of course] When I purchased my bull bar from ARB the salesman told me the bull bar tow points could be used for snatch recovery. I disagreed. When I asked for a written guarantee, that a snatch recovery would not damage the crush cans,he refused . We are probably on the same wavelength, but I jumped in feet first . The reference to a Roo was , if you just tapped the fence, that means we have to change the crush cans after every similar incident. How many people even check their crush cans after a tap? Bob

Done plenty of snatch recoveries from ARB bars.

No risk, no fuss..

And using Rud Points as well...

An 8,000kg strap will go before the bar does.

Disclaimer:
*** you need to do your own JSA before you make a decision to replicate my advice. Due to the permutations of a dynamic recovery I accept no responsibility should your recovery go pear shaped ***