Thread: VW caught by the Yanks for breaking emission laws

VW should survive and come back, but some of the mud will stick. Coporate image is important and they'll be known for cheating.
Buying their shares now should make money long term. You know what they say: buy when people are selling and sell when they're buying.

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But then reading this,
VW says rogue engineers, not executives, responsible for emissions scandal | Ars Technica

VW has form, back in 1973 , so maybe their Corporate culture is sick, or the corporate memory failed,

Is there ANY manufacturer that can claim their vehicle emissions are ok in real world conditions, apart from Tesla.

Originally Posted by 85 county

and the other side of the coin is that.

VW come pre installed with an after market ecu, cool

10 years time the pre Cought you cars. will be worth more than the post cars

https://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_upgrade_20tdi.html

Got me thinking now

Perhaps Mr Breech's valuation was accurate but premature. I would think that one should be able to salvage more than ten US cents though.

So, now the Americans are investigating Porsches and Audis fitted with a 3.0 litre TD to see if it also breached the emissions regulations. VW denies it.
How far will this scandal go?


Volkswagen emissions scandal widens to include larger, more expensive Porsche, Audi brands - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


I know some people play down the importance of breaching environmental laws, but its clear that governments and many people will not tolerate vehicles which spew out cancer-causing nitrous oxides and other pollutants, killing thousands of people every year - and why should they?


How long will it be before some government decides to subject vehicles to annual emissions tests as part of re-registration? Sounds far-fetched I know, but is it really? And that would be the end for at least some re-chipping/remapping companies, if vehicles fitted with their software failed emissions testing, I expect.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

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I know some people play down the importance of breaching environmental laws, but its clear that governments and many people will not tolerate vehicles which spew out cancer-causing nitrous oxides and other pollutants, killing thousands of people every year - and why should they?


How long will it be before some government decides to subject vehicles to annual emissions tests as part of re-registration? Sounds far-fetched I know, but is it really? And that would be the end for at least some re-chipping/remapping companies, if vehicles fitted with their software failed emissions testing, I expect.

You raise some important points. However to correct one part, NOx is not classified as a carcinogen. Diesel particulate is a group 1 carcinogen along with uranium, bacon, beer and everything on this list ( https://firstdogonthemoon.com.au/car...ve-you-cancer/ ). NOx (NO + NO2) causes a range of acute and chronic (but non-cancer) health effects, and even at low levels has been linked to things as far ranging as diabetes and pre-eclampsia in pregnant women. It is also a serious atmospheric pollutant.

I think the first point is, than everyone with a remap and/or EGR deactivated will be emitting hundreds to thousands of times more NOx than emissions limits, and likely be over on other pollutants as well. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themself.

However the cost of a drive cycle emissions test is prohibitive, as it needs to be done on a dyno, and the equipment needed to accurately measure emissions to test against legislation (to the standard required for certification) is prohibitive. e.g. AFAIK only my lab and Orbital have such equipment in Western Australia. We are talking ~$300k in equipment, the most expensive being for (nano)particle counting as required under EURO 6.

Even in the UK/Europe, emissions testing during roadworthy inspections is usually limited to idle "sniff" testing and visible smoke. These tests usually only pick up sick or badly tuned engines.

Roadworthy inspectors are required to check that all emissions control equipment is fitted and (appears) to be in operable condition.

What would be cheaper and easier for regulators would be for them to mandate access to the software (maps/log files/tables, etc...). That way they could see evidence of changes and who performed them.

2015 model Teslas have wifi connections that allow the manufacturers to install updates remotely. I imagine this may be a feature of all cars in the future. Which opens a whole new realm of possibilities for regulation as well.

Perhaps Governments would be better off legislating to phase out the manufacture of Fossil Fuel powered vehicles all together and leave the remaining Fossilised Hydrocarbons in reserve for Plastics Production.
Testla have shown that an Electric Vehicle with the range and performance of a Petrol or Diesel is Just around the corner.
An Off Road Vehicle with 2, 4, or 6 Electric Motors would out perform any Oil Burner.
Cheers, Billy.

Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

Perhaps Governments would be better off legislating to phase out the manufacture of Fossil Fuel powered vehicles all together and leave the remaining Fossilised Hydrocarbons in reserve for Plastics Production.
Testla have shown that an Electric Vehicle with the range and performance of a Petrol or Diesel is Just around the corner.
An Off Road Vehicle with 2, 4, or 6 Electric Motors would out perform any Oil Burner.
Cheers, Billy.

All council buses and other urban-only vehicles should already be electric, and probably will be soon(ish).

Unfortunately we are a long way off electric vehicles for any travel in rural areas. The UK already has an extensive network of charging stations but still they are not enough: https://transportevolved.com/2015/02...ew-brake-pads/
We would need vehicles to start using standardised batteries, so service stations can have "swap and go" stations.

Diesel-electric military offroad vehicles have been around for a long time and work well. You automatically have the capability for 4 wheel diff locks and skid steer if needed. The advantage of a setup like this is the engine can operate across a much smaller range where it is more efficient.