Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

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Originally Posted by scarry

I can't see good resale values being anything to hope for either.

As for the pipie bucket,had it many times in the rear of Disco 4,and done it many times in the Tojo,four trips to Fraser last year.
I generally try to remember to put the lid on the bucket[tonguewink]
And make sure it is tied in so it won't fall over....Been there done that[bigsad][biggrin]
I would do it in a $140K vehicle no worries.

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You're gamer than me. I pop them in the back of the defender and if a bit sloshes out I don't worry (no carpet) and I literally hose it out when I get home. A trick I've learned is to put a small bucket inside a big one so less spillage.

In other news it looks like the Grenadier second hand market is shaking out. Early on the "flippers" were in action with some of them asking up to 185k on car sales. [bigsmile] Things seem to be starting to settle now with some being priced at 115k which is probably far more reasonable and in line with what the early adopters actually paid. It's also cheaper than the new price.

Personally If I wanted a grenadier I'd still give them at least another 12 months to see if they actually fix the issues. If I couldn't wait that long I'd buy something else because I'd hate to buy one and live through the hell of trying to get manufacturers to fix things.

It is indeed to be determined what kind of fixes they will do over what period of time and when they will make a cutoff point where it is simply no longer viable to do it in production but wait for a model change. On the other hand, the defender notoriously "never" changed in 60 years of production so if that is truly what they were going for at ineos we should have to wait for, oh, 20 years before the grenadier gets any significant changes :)

With regards to pricing I can't see that change any time soon and only up for that matter. Not sure about oz rules but in europe at least the cheap car has died a painful death because of ridiculous emissions standards that are becoming neigh impossible to meet and a slew of mandatory gear on new cars like lane departure warning/assist and what not which drives car prices (and weight) up significantly. Since laws like these take some time to come to pass and emissions standards are a roadmap that is known for quite some time ahead as well I wonder if land rover saw the writing on the wall quite more clearly then we have given them credit for back when they cancelled the defender in 2016...

Personally I was enamoured with the grenadier for quite some time myself and kinda forgot about those things thinking that it would basically be a 70 series in build quality, a g wagon chassis and a defender look. That was simply never going to happen and if it did it would not be sold in europe (the reason for example we have not had the V8 LC70 for years now)

Summing it all up, I do not like the new defender and I have some issues with the grenadier (though like it better) but both vehicles were/are a necessary change that manufacturers had to make if they wanted to or not. I wont be holding my breath to see if prices drop or things are getting better since I do not think they will or can. I wonder how long the 6cyl engines can survive for example with the no doubt even more painful emissions laws on the horizon.

Let me finish by saying; I really appreciate ineos for what they have tried to do. I can only hope that they will fix some of the glaring issues like that footwell hump (probably fixed in the next version with 4-cyl engines...) and the ridiculous sand scoop/muffler at the back for example. To me it is a beautiful showcase what is possible in this day and age to build a solid axle car of any significance from scratch with modern technologies.

Cheers,
-P

PS last thought: the Honda NSX was arguably WAY better than any Ferrari when it came out but it was never a great success since people who wanted to drive a sportscar AND had the means to do so wanted the prancing pony since it eluded to status. The same goes for the grenadier, at least down here. If you want a soccer mums car that can pull the horse trailer (god forbid) then why fork out near 200K for a grenadier which IS very good at it and arguably better than a range rover if you can actually have a range rover that will do it as well but has the letters RANGE ROVER on the front/back?

Agree with all that.

Forgot to mention.. the other glaring oversight was it's only got a 90 litre tank. People towing are reporting less than 400k range. What were they thinking?

Hopefully someone will come up with another tank but I gather it's not easy.

Saw my first one in the flesh today, each of us travelling at 100kph, in the opposite direction, so not much more than a cursory glance.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Saw my first one in the flesh today, each of us travelling at 100kph, in the opposite direction, so not much more than a cursory glance.

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So you didn't see the black one at Goomeri???

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Actually, I even got to sit in it.
Senior moment. [bigwhistle]

I have arranged a test drive for next weekend

I saw my 1st in real life on Thursday while turning out of my doctor's office, it was parked across the street, and I was tempted to stop and have a good look but had another appointment to get to.

I drove past the Canberra dealership today and my passenger said that he did not know that Land Rover still made the old Defender. I explained it was not a Defender and that there had been a court case over the design but my mate still did believe it was not a Defender.

Saw a grenadier at bunnings today. Definitely real now.