Thread: Ineos Grenadier, do you reckon it'll take off?

Originally Posted by Hoges

All pretty much true. However, the main reasons include : the production line was antiquated ... even if they had demand, they couldn't meet it; the vehicle structure could not be adapted to meet more stringent crash testing without huge redesign costs and a new production line; the engine/transmission was way behind Euro 5 let alone meeting Euro 6 demands.... So if you are lucky enough to own on enjoy it. By the time the last ones were for sale, they were A$60k plus....

I was tempted but had become obsessed with maintaining a pre-loved RR P38, which a history of my posts over the 9- 10yrs I owned it will testify. The Grenadier sort of makes up for it... But it has its quirks :-) Trouble is, age and health have caught up so it's not getting the outings it deserves...but I live in hope!

Interestingly I don't think Ineos has a crash rating. It must me selling under a low volume type exemption. .No doubt it would be strong, but that doesn't translate directly to occupant safety (woildnt worry me too much as i drive a D2). Cheers

Originally Posted by ozscott

Interestingly I don't think Ineos has a crash rating. It must me selling under a low volume type exemption. .No doubt it would be strong, but that doesn't translate directly to occupant safety (woildnt worry me too much as i drive a D2). Cheers

Ineligible for an ANCAP rating as the GVM is over 3550kg = light truck rating.

If I was after a car to drive in populated areas, hands down I would pick the "Defender" over the grenadier. I think it would be a better car. Much nicer to drive like all the Discoveries before it.

If I was after a car to drive in remote areas and to keep a long time I wouldn't touch a "Defender". I'm really not sure I'd go for a Grenadier either. I think I'd pick a 76 series wagon. For the price difference you could do all sorts of things to make it yours, plus when you are remote there is much more support inertia.

As I've said before. IMHO at the price they have set for the Grenadier I doubt it will ever gain market momentum in Australia. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they give up trying after a few years, or significantly discount the price. Charging more for less is a really really tough thing to pull off. I don't think the Grenadier is capable of that. LR just gave up that market entirely.

If they had priced the Grenadier close to the 76 which was the initial promise then this would be another paradigm entirely.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

If I was after a car to drive in populated areas, hands down I would pick the "Defender" over the grenadier. I think it would be a better car. Much nicer to drive like all the Discoveries before it.

If I was after a car to drive in remote areas and to keep a long time I wouldn't touch a "Defender". I'm really not sure I'd go for a Grenadier either. I think I'd pick a 76 series wagon. For the price difference you could do all sorts of things to make it yours, plus when you are remote there is much more support inertia.

As I've said before. IMHO at the price they have set for the Grenadier I doubt it will ever gain market momentum in Australia. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they give up trying after a few years, or significantly discount the price. Charging more for less is a really really tough thing to pull off. I don't think the Grenadier is capable of that. LR just gave up that market entirely.

If they had priced the Grenadier close to the 76, which was the initial promise then this would be another paradigm entirely.

The reality in Australia is that most of the population can drive just about everywhere they need to get to on bitumen or well-maintained unsealed roads in a Hilux. Neither a Defender nor a Grenadier is required to get places normally. Even a 76 is overkill, even for a farmer. A Grenadier like the classic Defender is now seen as a fashion statement driven by celebrity YouTube chefs and others for whom appearance is more important than application. Both are good for towing horse floats (but the new Defender is better).

Originally Posted by one_iota

The reality in Australia is that most of the population can drive just about everywhere they need to get to on bitumen or well-maintained unsealed roads in a Hilux. Neither a Defender nor a Grenadier is required to get places normally. Even a 76 is overkill, even for a farmer. A Grenadier like the classic Defender is now seen as a fashion statement driven by celebrity YouTube chefs and others for whom appearance is more important than application. Both are good for towing horse floats (but the new Defender is better).

Interestingly, the 76 is not very good offroad without some serious mods. I think a Hilux (just sticking with Toyota) is better offroad in most situations than a 79. You can get a lot more ground clearance and flex and ability from a 79 once it has longer coils and different leaf packs and 34 inch tyres but they typically build them up to be way too heavy and then that compromises them a little. I still like the 79 though. It's fairly honest, but I just don't see the value, especially second hand. Cheers

Oh look.. the perma sale continues at my local dealer. I see I can buy a GXL 70 wagon in auto for 85k DA. Still need to try harder Ineos

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To get a "76" anywhere near a Grenadier you would have to spend a fortune on it.

Which then equalises the cost proposition.

Had a 76 for a while and while it was great off road spent a fair bit getting it there.

Ronny Dahl did a comparison off both.

Took a test drive of a Grenadier over Easter & loved it.

Bought a smile to my face & my wife loved the seats & comfort.

Her opinion is more comfortable than our Defender.

Ended up buying a MY 24 Sela Green Trailmaster demonstrator (3000km) with some great options for very little more than new 76.

P300 110 with offroad pack, bullbar etc for sale soon.

Originally Posted by chuck

To get a "76" anywhere near a Grenadier you would have to spend a fortune on it.

Which then equalises the cost proposition.

Had a 76 for a while and while it was great off road spent a fair bit getting it there.

Ronny Dahl did a comparison off both.

Took a test drive of a Grenadier over Easter & loved it.

Bought a smile to my face & my wife loved the seats & comfort.

Her opinion is more comfortable than our Defender.

Ended up buying a MY 24 Sela Green Trailmaster demonstrator (3000km) with some great options for very little more than new 76.

P300 110 with offroad pack, bullbar etc for sale soon.

Nice mate. Congratulations. It's a Trialmaster. Cheers