Thread: Another Malaysian plane down ...

That's what you get when you go to group therapy with the uncle of the bartender where a former CIA agent's cousin goes.
Doesn't get much more valid than that.

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Originally Posted by TerryO

Well if it was a Russian made missile that was launched from somewhere inside the pro Russian held territory then its hard to come to any other conclusion wouldn't you think?.

Exactly.
And despite the comments from the "usual suspects" who continue to admit the probable.
They continue to discount the original & "admitted" original tapes which even mentioning the person who actually CONFIRMED they'd shot down this aircraft. Those tapes have miraculously disappeared.
I ain't blaming the Russians here, not at all, they simply supplied the weapon, like the U.S. & many countries do. They would have trained the operatives,...like the U.S. do!!
However, I believe that it was a Russian Missile, I think that's generally believed, (but not by some on here!) that was launched by Russian Backed Ukrainian Rebels. The Rocket Launcher was seen entering the area, & was seen leaving,.......with only three missiles in place,...instead of the four that it was seen with when entering the area.
I believe all this will be well & truly be able to be proven. So no, Russians did not launch it. No direct blame to them,...that blame lies with the Ukrainian rebels.
It will be interesting to see how far the Netherlands & Australia are willing to go to prove this.
All, IMHO, of course. Pickles.

i more meant its easier to ignore any evidence and simply blame big bad russia.

if it was near korea, the report would say big bad north korea

Originally Posted by Disco Muppet

Elvis and Harold Holt conspired to shoot it down, seeing as they're both still alive.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

Elvis? What a crackpot theory that is, Elvis is dead.

Originally Posted by Ferret

Crack pot theory indeed. By insightful logic you have ruled out Elvis. Further, I can't believe Holt was involved. It's just not possible for him to have pulled it off from within China.

Originally Posted by Disco Muppet

He was assisted by the New World Order and the crab people. They re-animated Elvis' corpse so he could shoot JFK who was about to expose the Illuminati chemtrails that caused Port Arthur.
And yes I'm aware of the difficulty relating to timing of these events but the NWO controls time travel.

barmy the lot of you.

it was COL. Mustard in the lavatory with the scatter gun...

Originally Posted by Eevo

i more meant its easier to ignore any evidence and simply blame big bad russia.

if it was near korea, the report would say big bad north korea

look. you may be correct you may not be. but you are not Russian and have absolutely NO idea how they work internally.

you have not lived in Russia, you have not had dealings with Russians.

there are second generation Russians in Adelaide, university students, smart kids. who believe that all Australian news is american propaganda. last week i had a conversation with a 28 year-old girl who i have known for a number of years, she has finished her PHD in physiology and is now working for the family courts ( federal) who stood in front of me and stated that the Crimean and Ukrainian conflict was a Jewish plot!!!!

the look at Putins Australian speech, do a page 8 on it and actually READ the friggen thing

first intresting part

Minister Kerensky, the Head of the Provisional Government [in 1917], visited here. Even more surprising is the fact that he went on to marry an Australian journalist. This is a sort of unnatural union, even for a former Prime Minister. I don't know exactly why he did it. Perhaps he was overcome by grief after losing power, in a state of temporary insanity. Or maybe this is just the result of some internal disposition that led him from one mistake to another: first he lost power, then he lost it again.

read it as an Australian you think its funny, read it as a Russian, Australia hardboard or gave sanctuary to an enemy of the soviet state, he was mad Australia is mad, thus Australia is of no value.

second interesting bit

every name/ person and one ship has a meaning, every thing from we proved Capitan cook wrong ( thus we have as much right to you as England has) to Australia full of short hair blue eyes of suspect sexual orientation.

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

barmy the lot of you.

it was COL. Mustard in the lavatory with the scatter gun...

Bollocks, it was a rail gun, and he was caught on utube

It has been established beyond reasonable doubt it was a missile. The BUK has a 70 kg warhead, the explosion tore the front of the aircraft completely off. Fragments from the explosion were found in some of the bodies, [ those in the forward section, apparently] The only mystery is who fired it? Both the Ukraine and Russia had the BUK.


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while the Ukraine has BUK systems, they are not really operational, lack of parts and age. Most people do not realise that the BUK system is more than one vehicles.. its proper use it 3 vehicles. IE two other radar systems working in conjuction.
the Ukraine has however over 100 9A33 systems. this is a self contatined one vehicle system. If the Ukraine felt the need to deploy air defence it would be this unit. but more manageable than the BUK.

the 9A33, system is much more compact in all respects, more manoeuvrable and with a lighter payload. as a result it uses a mixture of exploding ordnance and flichets in it warhead. this fact alone discounts it use in this case.

secondly one must ask, since the Ukraine rebels have no air asserts. why would the Ukraine deploy air defence?

on the other hand the Ukraine had deployed air assets against the rebels, thus the rebels needed air defence.

secondly. where the aircraft was hit was out of range given the front lines at that time.

so in short it really is a no brainier. it is of no consequence where th BUK unit originally came from, picked up by the Russians in the Ukraine possible, but really i have no idea. ether way it makes no difference, what is important is who pulled the trigger. and then there is what was there intentions. i firmly believe that because only one missile was launched which is not SOP. which to me indicates that the system was not operated by well trained personnel. since there in no political, millatery advantage to shooting down an airliner, and the fact that the Ukraine had an aircraft active at that time and had previously losed an aircraft to a BUK system. that the downing of the Malaysian airline was an operator error.