Thread: New Russian Fighter

Originally Posted by Chucaro

Sprint,here are some info about the Malvinas war.

Admiral Sir John Forster "Sandy" Woodward from the UK navy aknowledege the skills of the Argentinian pilots as well

Try to get some books from Pablo Carballo a Jet Fighter Pilot who made history on that war just because his skills.

Cheers

ahh, i took it in the context that they looked down on the equipment they had

the Argentine pilots were very quick to adapt to the threats and terrain, given better equipment and planning (specifically air-air refuelling) the outcome of the falklands conflict may have been different, certainly at a much greater cost to the British armed forces

Armadillo, definitely porn, would love to see the same with an F4....

Originally Posted by Sprint

Armadillo, definitely porn, would love to see the same with an F4....

Ok then, F4 porn...

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Originally Posted by PSi

That sounds like a sensible intent, not quite a plan yet. Just how would you succeed?
The airborne radar planes are extremely high value assets and well protected at all times, in addition to being kept a long distance from the actual battle because they have such powerful sensors.
If you could get them, then you'd have a chance.

Back in WW II, the US typical navy fighters could never win a one-on-one dogfight with the Jap Zeros but they won battles anyway - by NOT dogfighting but using tactics that suited them, zooming in at speed to do slashing attacks, go in fast, shoot, scoot, turn around and do again.
You really can't dance if the other guy doesn't want to tango.

The ability to do tight turns could give a huge advantage to a single agile plane chased by a single missile fired by a single opposing plane. Would it work with a swarm of missiles fired by a swarm of enemy planes beyond visual range, though?

Having said all that, the SU-30 is a joy to behold ...

The Russians use IR in all thier planes,the reason is that it will pick up radar energy beyond the range of the beams ability to return to the reciever so you'll be cruising along in your Sukhoi knowing the Yanks are there but they won't know you know,thats were your Russian made BVR IR missiles take them by supprise so they can either try to evade the missiles,considering the sizes of the warheads,being proxy fused and are able to make more than one attack it's a dangerous move or turn their radars off or wind the power down limiting there range.It's all hyperthetical but if I was in Iraqs shoes I would have put everthing into one mass attack against a carrier group and overwhelm it with shear numbers befor the ineviable defeat. Pat

More on Harrier Jump jets Before we scrapped the Mebourne The government looked at buying them but the deciding factor was the Melbournes flight deck would not take the heat the jump jet creates it was proposed to put a new flight deck on Melbourne but was too costly so they scrapped her pity really we do need an aircraft carrier to be an effective navy

Originally Posted by PAT303

The Russians use IR in all thier planes,the reason is that it will pick up radar energy beyond the range of the beams ability to return to the reciever . Pat

Modern stealthy fighters like the Raptor would not have radars on while they are hunting ... that'd kind of give the game away, like a sniper walking around with a naked torch.
They would have the big see-all AWACS telling them, via digital data links, where the baddies are.
And stealth designs have reduced IR signature too.

I didn't say it would be easy!!!!!. Pat

Originally Posted by PSi

Modern stealthy fighters like the Raptor would not have radars on while they are hunting ... that'd kind of give the game away, like a sniper walking around with a naked torch.
They would have the big see-all AWACS telling them, via digital data links, where the baddies are.
And stealth designs have reduced IR signature too.

the stealth thay took out in the bulcans was done by using new russian toys. good old WW1 tech with an electronic twist. a sound detector and predictor.

but by nature stealth tech limits the air frame ( in shape and surface) which limits preformance, great for bombers but not so good for fighters.

Originally Posted by PAT303

You have hit the nail on the head,the Americans rely on superior electronics to guide the battle to thier likeing and to thier advantage,trouble is the other side doesn't play the game the way they want them to.If I was going up against the Yanks the first thing I'd do is attack thier comunication lines and radar network so they loose their eye's and ears and get my fighters in close for a good old fashion dogfight,thats were the Sukhoi's amazing agility would come into it's own.The Russians made it with such high agility to break radar lock from the firing plane as well as being able to out-turn the missile itself.Any plane that can fly at stall speed 80 degree's from the vertical is going to be a tough thing to fight. Pat

"The Russians made it with such high agility to break radar lock from the firing plane as well as being able to out-turn the missile itself" but wait there’s more, the hole flip 180 at 600 knots and for 25 seconds you are flying backwards the off the other way, all that with out stalling the compressor. THE US hasn’t figgerd that one out!

but as with any thing Russian, build quality, parts supply and limited range