Thread: New Russian Fighter

Originally Posted by clean32

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any way we are talking about the past, Indonesia is no longer killing Chinese in the streets, that government has fallen, been replaced, arrested charged convicted and some executed.

except a lot of the old TNI dudes are still there, or in Politics....




now I'm sounding paranoid

Thanks for the discussion fella's

Interesting that a thread about a new Russian fighter plane ends up as an Indonesia vs. Australia debate.
Is this paranoia or credible ?
Just as a matter of interest, why would anyone want to go to the trouble and expense not to mention the logistical support nightmare of landing an invasion force in North Western Australia?
I would have thought a couple of container ships of troops and equipment landed in Melbourne and Sydney and perhaps Brisbane so that they don't get all huffy by being left out. Say, between Christmas and New Year when the whole country is either ****ed, hung over or on holliday would make a much more sensible invasion.
Once these have been taken its all over, the countrys economy and 80% of its population is now controlled by the invader who also by the way has control of the national media, very important if you're playing invasion. A quick trip up/down the Hume and the irrelevancy of the Canberra is also in the bag though its probably a ghost town at this time of year. The propaganda value alone makes Canberra a worthy gain for the invader.
And best of all. No major logistic issues, all the food, water, fuel, quartering and transport is laid on for any potential invader. The rest of the country wouldn't have a clue what was going on till well into the new year.
Could Indonesia achieve this if they wanted/could afford to ?
When Indonesias millitary outnumbers ours 100 to 1 each of our guys could kill 99 of theirs and we'd still lose. Australia wouldnt stand a chance.
I would say that Australia hasn't bought those last remaining squadrons of F-111 G's to hang outside local RSL's. They might have been made obsolete in the major players arsenals by cruise missiles and the such but are just the shot for Australias defence and I would guess that the G's are probably a lot more capable that the A versions bought in the sixtys.
More to the point is Indonesia the only potential threat Australia has ? What about India? a country with major population growth and nowhere to expand to. Islam to the West, mountains and China to the North and Chinas ally Burma to the East. Whats South, good old Australia and all the natural resources and space India hankers for including uranium. Lets not forget India has Nukes!, over 1 Billion people and would eat a third world s..t hole like Indonesia for breakfast.
Even better if you can create ill feeling, animosity and racial violence towards your country and its people to forment a crisis. Then you take the moral high ground and 'rescue' your downtroden citizens from the heathen and decadent uncaring racist Australians. Did I mention that India has Nukes ?

Anyway, sounds like a synopsis for a good Tom Clancy story.

Deano

Originally Posted by DeanoH

Interesting that a thread about a new Russian fighter plane ends up as an Indonesia vs. Australia debate.
Is this paranoia or credible ?
Just as a matter of interest, why would anyone want to go to the trouble and expense not to mention the logistical support nightmare of landing an invasion force in North Western Australia?
I would have thought a couple of container ships of troops and equipment landed in Melbourne and Sydney and perhaps Brisbane so that they don't get all huffy by being left out. Say, between Christmas and New Year when the whole country is either ****ed, hung over or on holliday would make a much more sensible invasion.
Once these have been taken its all over, the countrys economy and 80% of its population is now controlled by the invader who also by the way has control of the national media, very important if you're playing invasion. A quick trip up/down the Hume and the irrelevancy of the Canberra is also in the bag though its probably a ghost town at this time of year. The propaganda value alone makes Canberra a worthy gain for the invader.
And best of all. No major logistic issues, all the food, water, fuel, quartering and transport is laid on for any potential invader. The rest of the country wouldn't have a clue what was going on till well into the new year.
Could Indonesia achieve this if they wanted/could afford to ?
When Indonesias millitary outnumbers ours 100 to 1 each of our guys could kill 99 of theirs and we'd still lose. Australia wouldnt stand a chance.
I would say that Australia hasn't bought those last remaining squadrons of F-111 G's to hang outside local RSL's. They might have been made obsolete in the major players arsenals by cruise missiles and the such but are just the shot for Australias defence and I would guess that the G's are probably a lot more capable that the A versions bought in the sixtys.
More to the point is Indonesia the only potential threat Australia has ? What about India? a country with major population growth and nowhere to expand to. Islam to the West, mountains and China to the North and Chinas ally Burma to the East. Whats South, good old Australia and all the natural resources and space India hankers for including uranium. Lets not forget India has Nukes!, over 1 Billion people and would eat a third world s..t hole like Indonesia for breakfast.
Even better if you can create ill feeling, animosity and racial violence towards your country and its people to forment a crisis. Then you take the moral high ground and 'rescue' your downtroden citizens from the heathen and decadent uncaring racist Australians. Did I mention that India has Nukes ?

Anyway, sounds like a synopsis for a good Tom Clancy story.

Deano

Well you have raised some good points. But look at it this way. There is a lot of Australian wealth in the west, and who wants the hassle of trying to control manage and be responsible for 80% of the population. I posted earlier on " what happens next". they get 1/2 of western Australia and 1/2 of NT should take about 6-8 weeks, minimal civilian casualties so no bad international press unlike hitting the eastern seaboard.

So beach head at broome, fan out grab some mines and some food producing land, a bit of rain forest which they can bulldoze and plant there palm trees or what ever. any way at about 2 months ( forget about the Yanks) a stalemate will happen, and 12 months latter some form of UN resolution would have passed and Australia would have shrunk. It wouldn’t have helped with the international press having a field day of publishing all the pictures of killed by aussie rednecks anyone who looked slightly Asian up and down the eastern seaboard etc which would put most Asian countries ( by popular local demand) behind the Indonesians.

NB the last batch of F1-11 uummm were freeeeeeee

India is way to busy with its own internal security, any branching out would invite there borders coming under threat. besides India is a long way away

I have to say the F22 looks the business though

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I have to say the F22 looks the business though

Yes isn't it lovely, looks like a butterfly
































Dare I say it, stings like a bee/hornet

Baz.

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

I have to say the F22 looks the business though

Looks like a target.

Originally Posted by clean32

Well you have raised some good points. But look at it this way. There is a lot of Australian wealth in the west, and who wants the hassle of trying to control manage and be responsible for 80% of the population. I posted earlier on " what happens next". they get 1/2 of western Australia and 1/2 of NT should take about 6-8 weeks, minimal civilian casualties so no bad international press unlike hitting the eastern seaboard.

So beach head at broome, fan out grab some mines and some food producing land, a bit of rain forest which they can bulldoze and plant there palm trees or what ever. any way at about 2 months ( forget about the Yanks) a stalemate will happen, and 12 months latter some form of UN resolution would have passed and Australia would have shrunk. It wouldn’t have helped with the international press having a field day of publishing all the pictures of killed by aussie rednecks anyone who looked slightly Asian up and down the eastern seaboard etc which would put most Asian countries ( by popular local demand) behind the Indonesians.

NB the last batch of F1-11 uummm were freeeeeeee

India is way to busy with its own internal security, any branching out would invite there borders coming under threat. besides India is a long way away

India is not actually a long way away-- I get india trying to sell me something often, and those who buy a New Jag or LR will gert them from India

And India do have Aircraft Carriers if they ever wanted to invade Australia.

During the Second World War Japan & Germany was a long way from America, but Pearl Harbour happened.

So never do think that India is a long way away.

If anyone invaded the North/West of Australia, they wouldn't have to worry about fighting us or the Americans.......the Chinese own it all, and would you want to upset them?