Thread: Browns Gas, Please read before shooting .

Originally Posted by clean32

uumm no that is not what i am saying, but then to say the sum is greater than the 2 parts is not correct either but what we are saying is that the efficiency of the burn is improved which out weighs the energy consumed to produe the gas in the first place

Fair Enough, prove it. get me some dyno figures from the flywheel and the wattage draw on a system that works as advertised then have that independantly verified and I'll fly over with a team of Engineers to double check it all. If it all checks out I'll think about setting up every hoseable diesel on the forum with it at my cost

Originally Posted by clean32

True but then you are starting to look at some reasonably complex control systems

Nothing complicated about a 2 compartment tank (one if you want to do it the dangerous way), float level, gas flow regulator, flash arrestor and a pressure dependant Electronic control for the power supply, I bet my old man could do the electronics in a night, his mate brian could make the tanks at the same time and I could have it all plumbed onto a landy by lunch time. IF it actually worked.

Originally Posted by clean32

sorry wrong, the gas is in such a week concentration that concentration alone will not ignite it

keh? a weak concentration wont light... Best not tell that to rudolph diesel, try this. in a 5m3 cube filled with pure O2 vent 1l of hydrogen and light a match. now do it with 6l (if you survive the result of the first weak mix and theres anything left of the cube). IF you're game enough to try that on, do it with the same gas mixes compresed at an effective ratio of about say 30:1 (roughly 2/3rds the peak effective compression ratio of a stock td5 with a full head of steam) please let me know when you plan on trying this so I can set up the high speed cameras and stand WAAAAYYY over there or at least find someone I dont like that I can stand behind.

Originally Posted by clean32

but for a better understanding look up how oil is cracked and how hydrogen is added and why. its basically the same reaction.

all of which is great, how much power does it take to do that? and where do you plan on getting that power from?

Originally Posted by clean32

As I wrote above this is not the case. It would be if you viewed the gas as an additional fuel but in practice it is not, much better to look at it as a fuel additive, may help in getting your head around it.

so your putting the hydrogen in the fuel tank then? and if its not an additional fuel source then whats it doing in the chemical reaction. Just sitting there twiddling its lonely electron? Hydrogen burns, diesel burns, put them together just right and they both burn together, addative or additional you still have to make the stuff and that takes power, more power than you liberate from doing it in the first place. You do get a cleaner burn in the proccess of it though. Its the same smoke and mirrors dance of the LPG fumigation Sure diesel consumption goes down or power goes up OR a combination of both But almost no-one will tell you what the instant combined consumption of both is.

Dont get me wrong, HHO fumigation hell even plain old hydrogen fumigation works in and of itself (as does LPG fumigation) but not in a self contained way which is what this is all about.

Originally Posted by clean32

as for the greenies NO emotions are reduced



actually its not, browns gas displays quite different properties to simple HHO. That is why is is called browns gas as a process discovered by Yull brown. It is not Yull browns prosses that is used in these internet systems. Although these internet systems seem to call all gas made from water electrolyses Browns Gas. lol add a bit of salt to the water and you will get chlorine, try running that though your motor.

have an eyeball through here...

browns gas, What is it?

which was the top page that came up when I typed up browns gas into google.com... dont forget that on that page is all the crackpot links as well to all the government conspiracy theorys and my personal favorite the electrolyser carburetor.

interestingly in my auto complete as I was typing in the word gas it also had words like scam and hoax.. Heres the top 3 links to when I let it auto complete on hoax.

snopes.com: Magical water fuel: A successful hoax? Or, what's the catch?

The Millennial Files Beware of Browns Gas/HHO and Dennis Klein hoaxes

Make: Online : Running an Automobile on Hydrogen Using Water

and the word Scam

Brown's Gas information

Water4gas Scam Reviewed | Auto-Facts.org

[ame=http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php't=56705]Denny Klein - Fuel from Water - Is this a scam? - JREF Forum[/ame]

Now before you head over and read all of those I need to warn you put your advertising codswollop o meter on the same setting that I use when I hear transit and ford 110 drivers talking about "Stall Control" and actually READ all of the page and All of the links Then make a decision.

While you're at it,. I can do you a nice deal on a hyclone (Legally distinct from hi-clones and hiclones which dont work)and a positive static charge airflow electron stripper for your turbo diesel that will half your fuel consumption providing you follow some pretty simple operating instructions .

I am very skeptical of all these devices. BUT one day I got a fitch for about $450.

Being a sucker for these things, I wanted to test a Fitch but didn't want to commit the $450 to a Fitch which is after all a few tin pellets in a $10 housing.
So I paid $40 or whatever for a set for my Honda 900 Hornet which I rode to work every day for 4 years over the same route.

NIX NADA NIL NOTHING .
It got 5.3L 100Km in summer and 5.4 l per 100Km in winter before for 2 years and the same after for 2 years. 5% would have been easily and instantly noticed.

Regards Philip A

Hey Bazzle218

I asked once are Diesel and Petrol transfer cases the same in a Discovery

someone actually asked what kind of vehicle do i drive before i answer that

it went on and on and on trying to make me feel stupid or just outright rude responses
So i posted leave your hands on your bits and dont bother posting if you caant help

i got a warning for being rude to others

I also got a warning for typing !@#$% instead of a swear word

But trying to be a smart arse is ok

Steve

Mate I lost a point ? for Using ****** instead of smart arse and pixies changed it to smart arse. Anyway live and learn I suppose, got me stuffed?

BAz ( probaly loose another point)

No im not going to bite, you have a happy life with your best friend Google

By the way im just back from playing on a LR playground ( where dealers take new owners of defenders and discos inluding RR and teach then what buttons to push) Heaps of fun. bush tracks sandy hills,loverly camping spot.

what did you do appart from play with google?

I did say have a look at how Crude and waste oil is cracked, you didnt do that did you

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

Fair Enough, prove it. get me some dyno figures from the flywheel and the wattage draw on a system that works as advertised then have that independantly verified and I'll fly over with a team of Engineers to double check it all. If it all checks out I'll think about setting up every hoseable diesel on the forum with it at my cost

Nothing complicated about a 2 compartment tank (one if you want to do it the dangerous way), float level, gas flow regulator, flash arrestor and a pressure dependant Electronic control for the power supply, I bet my old man could do the electronics in a night, his mate brian could make the tanks at the same time and I could have it all plumbed onto a landy by lunch time. IF it actually worked.

keh? a weak concentration wont light... Best not tell that to rudolph diesel, try this. in a 5m3 cube filled with pure O2 vent 1l of hydrogen and light a match. now do it with 6l (if you survive the result of the first weak mix and theres anything left of the cube). IF you're game enough to try that on, do it with the same gas mixes compresed at an effective ratio of about say 30:1 (roughly 2/3rds the peak effective compression ratio of a stock td5 with a full head of steam) please let me know when you plan on trying this so I can set up the high speed cameras and stand WAAAAYYY over there or at least find someone I dont like that I can stand behind.


all of which is great, how much power does it take to do that? and where do you plan on getting that power from?

so your putting the hydrogen in the fuel tank then? and if its not an additional fuel source then whats it doing in the chemical reaction. Just sitting there twiddling its lonely electron? Hydrogen burns, diesel burns, put them together just right and they both burn together, addative or additional you still have to make the stuff and that takes power, more power than you liberate from doing it in the first place. You do get a cleaner burn in the proccess of it though. Its the same smoke and mirrors dance of the LPG fumigation Sure diesel consumption goes down or power goes up OR a combination of both But almost no-one will tell you what the instant combined consumption of both is.

Dont get me wrong, HHO fumigation hell even plain old hydrogen fumigation works in and of itself (as does LPG fumigation) but not in a self contained way which is what this is all about.


have an eyeball through here...

browns gas, What is it?

which was the top page that came up when I typed up browns gas into google.com... dont forget that on that page is all the crackpot links as well to all the government conspiracy theorys and my personal favorite the electrolyser carburetor.

interestingly in my auto complete as I was typing in the word gas it also had words like scam and hoax.. Heres the top 3 links to when I let it auto complete on hoax.

snopes.com: Magical water fuel: A successful hoax? Or, what's the catch?

The Millennial Files Beware of Browns Gas/HHO and Dennis Klein hoaxes

Make: Online : Running an Automobile on Hydrogen Using Water

and the word Scam

Brown's Gas information

Water4gas Scam Reviewed | Auto-Facts.org

Denny Klein - Fuel from Water - Is this a scam? - JREF Forum

Now before you head over and read all of those I need to warn you put your advertising codswollop o meter on the same setting that I use when I hear transit and ford 110 drivers talking about "Stall Control" and actually READ all of the page and All of the links Then make a decision.

While you're at it,. I can do you a nice deal on a hyclone (Legally distinct from hi-clones and hiclones which dont work)and a positive static charge airflow electron stripper for your turbo diesel that will half your fuel consumption providing you follow some pretty simple operating instructions .

What this easter weekend? nothing much, fixed some pc's, drove 1400Km, serviced a car, did an easter treasure hunt with my son, cleaned up the in laws spare room, fixed an austar install, prepped my portable HD's with all the docs and vids for a 6 week field trip, helped out a couple of breakdowns, moved some furniture from toowomba to charleville, recovered a toyota and boat trailer and welded up some railings.

you know the usual quiet weekend.



theres no need to look up why they add hydrogen during the cracking process, its part of the de-sulphation process as well as promoting the cracking process....of heavier hydrocarbons into lighter ones like say diesel, petrol and lpg

but then youd have to ask why would you want to seperate your diesel into lighter components in the combustion chamber where its already busy doing its thing converting chemical energy into mechanical energy? or are you trying to desulpherise already low sulpher fuel? ( I wont go into how even if you managed to crack the fuel down in the fraction of the time you have availalbe when its injected BTDC that you'd wind up with horrific knock issues from the lighter grade fuels being much more prone to preignition when exposed to heat and pressure)

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

What this easter weekend? nothing much, fixed some pc's, drove 1400Km, serviced a car, did an easter treasure hunt with my son, cleaned up the in laws spare room, fixed an austar install, prepped my portable HD's with all the docs and vids for a 6 week field trip, helped out a couple of breakdowns, moved some furniture from toowomba to charleville, recovered a toyota and boat trailer and welded up some railings.

you know the usual quiet weekend.



theres no need to look up why they add hydrogen during the cracking process, its part of the de-sulphation process as well as promoting the cracking process....of heavier hydrocarbons into lighter ones like say diesel, petrol and lpg

but then youd have to ask why would you want to seperate your diesel into lighter components in the combustion chamber where its already busy doing its thing converting chemical energy into mechanical energy? or are you trying to desulpherise already low sulpher fuel? ( I wont go into how even if you managed to crack the fuel down in the fraction of the time you have availalbe when its injected BTDC that you'd wind up with horrific knock issues from the lighter grade fuels being much more prone to preignition when exposed to heat and pressure)

uumm mate your a cracker, you may have looked it up but you have no understanding

part of the de-sulphation process, HA HA HA

seperate your diesel into lighter components

you should get a job as a PRman for the sicentology bunch

we'll just forget that I asked someone who works at a refinery then shall we? (which is why I didnt look it up)


whats your explanation then