Thread: Carbon Tax. Well someone had to bring it up!

Originally Posted by JohnF

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Alan Jone's comment this morning on Radio told of a guy who opposed Communism a few decades back who was asking if we people in Australia would have to rise up against our government oppressing us through a carbon tax, like they rose up against Communism.

enlighten me

who where and when was there an uprising against Communism?

Never. It's Alan Jones mate, it has no relationship to reality, it's just ignorant scaremongering to suck in the gullible to listen so their presence can be sold to advertisers. You can't expect an intelligent discussion about anything with these extreme rightwing shock jocks. Alan jones is a diehard Liberal and former speechwriter to Malcolm Fraser, so there's no way he's going to give a balanced coverage of anything to do with a Labor Government. Why would he? The more extreme he is the more gullible people listen so the station can charge more to its advertisers. It just amazes me that more people don't realise how they're being conned.

Its not like the new john laws where he must have said a dozen times an hour thats he is being fair and if the liberals had run with this crap it he be just as vocal.

Hi 85 County.
I'm sure the USGS is well able to take into account those things you state in your post, much better able and qualified than those turkeys in parliament, or you and I.
And no where can I see where I was being alarmist but you're obviously a warmist so you can read what you like into any ones post.
AlanH.

Here is an item from an E-mail Newsletter [Creation Research "Evidence News 17/11 - 20th July 2011‏"] that I do get.

"4. COAL BURNING STOPPED GLOBAL WARMING, according to an article in PNAS 5 July 2011, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1102467108, also reported by Reuters 5 July. Researchers from Boston and Harvard Universities, USA and University of Turku, Finland have sought to explain why the earth did not warm over the decade from 1998 to 2008, in spite of rising carbon dioxide levels. They begin their abstract with this admission: “Given the widely noted increase in the warming effects of rising greenhouse gas concentrations, it has been unclear why global surface temperatures did not rise between 1998 and 2008.” The researchers noted during this time there was a decrease in solar radiation and cyclical shift from an El Niño pattern to a La Niña climate pattern, but they concluded that the cooling effect came mainly from an increase in coal burning, mainly in China, which produced more sulphurous emissions. They also suggest “The post 1970 period of warming, which constitutes a significant portion of the increase in global surface temperature since the mid 20th century, is driven by efforts to reduce air pollution in general and acid deposition in particular, which cause sulfur emissions to decline while the concentration of greenhouse gases continues to rise.”
Link: Reuters

ED. COM. The decade in question was replete with dire warnings of catastrophic global warming due to increasing man-made carbon dioxide, but as these researchers admit in a mainstream, peer reviewed scientific journal, there was no warming between 1998 and 2008. There has been no more warming since then either. If these researchers’ conclusions are correct, what a dilemma for the environmentalists! They loudly proclaim we must do whatever it takes to stop global warming, but they can hardly promote increasing chemical pollution. The solution to the problem is stop thinking that human activity warms and cools the earth and therefore we can control the climate. As the researchers admit solar radiation decreased and ocean currents changed during the decade of their study, but we cannot control these. Climate researchers, environmentalists and politicians need to humble themselves and admit the earth’s climate is under the control of the Creator God who does control the sun and the oceans. They can then put their efforts into doing the things we can control, such as cleaning up chemical pollution, planting trees, and other things that are good stewardship of the earth. (Ref. climate, politics, weather)"

It is interesting that during the 1800s when much coal was burnt to power industry-- their motors driving their machines were steam-- that the global temperature actually cooled down, not increased.

Oh and the current Tweed Sun Newspaper has an article that points out that an increased CO2 does not increase the temperature, but decreases the temperature. So much for global warming.

Oh and the current Tweed Sun Newspaper has an article that points out that an increased CO2 does not increase the temperature, but decreases the temperature. So much for global warming.

There is a difference between temperatures measured at the earth's surface, and the total heat absorbed by the atmosphere. It is a well know fact that aerial dust pollution from burning fossil fuels masks the measured effect of increased carbon dioxide at the ground. Cleaning up of the pollution is happening, especially in China. But the CO2 is up there for the duration and will cause further heat build up long after the skies clear, in the post-fossil fuel era.

This is a long term problem, not something you can shrug off inside a mere decade or two.

CSIRO website lets public decide on climate change - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-09-1...-7-per/2765128

Originally Posted by JohnF

Here is an item from an E-mail Newsletter [Creation Research "Evidence News 17/11 - 20th July 2011‏"] that I do get.

These are the same people that will tell you they have 'proof' the universe is 4718 years old; its in the bible.

Originally Posted by ugu80

These are the same people that will tell you they have 'proof' the universe is 4718 years old; its in the bible.

I absolutely do doubt that

Originally Posted by JohnF

" Reuters 5 July. Researchers from Boston and Harvard Universities, USA and University of Turku, Finland .

I, or this Creation Research website has never said that the universe is 4718 years old, and personally as I creationist I have never said that-- I personally believe that this world, not our universe is 6000 years old.

But this is not a thread on Biblical Creation, it is a thread on Global warming which I why I quoted this Reuters article quoting these Researchers from Boston and Harvard Universities, USA and University of Turku, Finland:-- Asia pollution blamed for halt in warming: study | Reuters . And it is doubtful that any of these Researchers from Boston and Harvard Universities, USA and University of Turku, Finland do believe in Biblical creation, but I have not checked up on their backgrounds.

Certainly many skeptics who refuse to examine all the evidence of Special Creation, those like Geologist Professor Ian Plimmer, find that global warming is a myth, so that I did not think that this creation Website was quoting creationists as far as no global Warming. Professor Ian Plimmer is very anti Creation, but he has been quoted as supporting the idea that their is no Global Warming on the Creation Research website.

I do not want this CO2 tax thread to get into a creation debate. If you want to debate me on this issue start another thread and PM me the link.