Payday...$300 for 7hrs work

**Barney2803** · 12th September 2011, 02:30 PM

Again rovercare, obviously you didnt read what I wrote. I didnt say people earning more shouldnt be, at all. I do agree with you however, even though again i didnt say it, but yes wouldnt it be wonderful if those struggling families had more money? or would you disagree as that'd take some of your supposed $360000 a year!

Go finish your poo!

**Sleepy** · 12th September 2011, 03:09 PM

Havent read all your posts Barney - sorry you'd have to pay me $42 an hour for all that.

I picked up on the word "lazy" though. A little harsh, judgemental and disrespectful.

If I rang my plumber, at short notice, and offered him $42 to come and stick his hand down my dunny, he'd laugh.

My point. It's supply and demand. They are casual workers and that works both ways. - They dont have to work, and you dont have to pay them.

Employ them full time, with "stand by" arrangements, super, sick pay, 8 weeks leave and then you may have the right to make judgement. (I bet that'd bring their hourly rate back to about $26.72)

I would imagine, in the average sized school, there would be one teacher unavailable for duty 60 to 80% of the year (ie: 22 teachers x 8 days). Perhaps you could employ one staff member to be on duty as leave relief - full time

Sorry but you have scratched a very raw nerve where I work. (No, I am not a teacher.)

As someone else eluded - try getting a home loan when you have a casual "job".

**scrambler** · 12th September 2011, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Barney2803

Are you seriously insulting my intelligence and profession that much?

No. But it seems you wish to insult me, my intelligence, education and experience. Your perogative.

My apologies for overgeneralising on the multiplicity of reasons why teachers take supply teaching. I still say that, in my experience, most are looking for permanent work. But perhaps that's a feature of the shortage of graduate jobs in Queensland, and not generalisable.

On the other hand I agree wholeheartedly with rovercare:

Originally Posted by rovercare

You came here to rant, not converse, so much continual drivel, I wouldn't answer the phone either

It appears it's you who thinks you've got it right, those that earn more shouldn't and those that earn less should be earning more

I'd like to see a little more rational approach to an open forum of others from someone educating children, but hey, that's the opinion of someone sitting having poo at the servo

**frantic** · 12th September 2011, 05:53 PM

Your saying they dont want full time BUT rely on casual for their income

WTH do they do in the school hols or when THEY are sick? Starve for 12 weeks + a year?

Your rant about wages is a joke as another person posted a FULL TIME sparkie on dayshift is getting $35per hour x a MINIMUM 38, no uni degree holidays L/service and sickies. A casual is compensated supposedly for not having those especially the 38 hrs
Lets say your casual's gets 5 days a week x 40 weeks a year(5x$300x40)=$60,000 OMG WHAT A BONANZA they only need to work a few years to retire to jamaica....... Hang on is'nt that less than a full time teacher with a few years experience????????
WHY YES IT IS:
Teacher salaries - Future students - The University of Sydney

A five year student out of uni gets $248 per year less than a casual working every school day but the full time person gets sickies , L/service, SUPER, stability etc etc
Your rant is deflated.

**Sleepy** · 12th September 2011, 06:42 PM

This is a good debate guys, with passionate opinions from both sides.

Let's keep it in the true spirit of Aulro and allow all opinions without dipping below the line.

Just thought I'd step in before it degenerates too far and the mods "sort us out"

**Barney2803** · 12th September 2011, 07:41 PM

Thanks sleepy. Very true.

It is quite funny however that as far as i can determine, no one here has ever had to hire/arrange etc relief teachers however everyone seems to be an expert in the whole teaching profession. Hilarious really!

I do love the forum and have learnt heaps however this has really put a spanner in the works for me in that sense.

Thanks, and say goodnight to the folks Gracie!

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**Sleepy** · 12th September 2011, 08:02 PM

Experts

Opinionated

Barney, I think you need to give out some credit now. Temp/Casual/On Call/On Demand/Top Up labour is not unique to teaching.

The scenario you described is repeated in many fields.

You may also be pleased that your sentiments are repeated in other industries.

**Barney2803** · 12th September 2011, 08:19 PM

Yeah absolutely true sleepy. I suppose my comment should have said experts on the teaching game.

I suppose I'm just still so miffed at the number who apparently feel $300 is below-them when so many people I know would jump at that money regardless of the job to a large extent.

It is the same in all temp fields I know but... Yeah....

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**Barney2803** · 12th September 2011, 08:20 PM

Sorry forgot to delete that last "but". Many aspects are the same in all temp fields, very true!

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**CraigE** · 12th September 2011, 08:29 PM

Barney,
I see your quandry and the position you are in. It is by no means great money for being expected to jump at short notice, but it is what the rate is and has been accepted by the people on the list. However I think it a little harsh to judge casual (very casual) drop of the hat type workers for not being available. If you want people to be available like that you only really have two options to get the loyalty and service you require. Either pay them a retainer to be on call or make the hourly rate worthwhile. To come in at the sort of notice you are describing the rate should be $50-$60 per hour at least. Full time teachers can grizzle all they lik but they have regular income, leave etc.
Look at the rate any tradesman is on now and then look at their after hours call out rates. I am sure most relief teachers would be happy to get half these rates. A good example is up here atm mechanical work of any sort is $135 per hour. Contract rate for us to get an ESO $140 per hr (and no we dont get paid anywhere near that).
You can not expect people who do this sort of work to ensure their lives revolve around you, it just wont happen as you would not centre your world around these people.
What happened to schools alway having 1 or 2 permanent relief teachers that could be utilised in other ways if not directly teaching. Something schools and the government should consider. Would solve the problem.

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