Thread: They're at it again - Anti-modification laws

Originally Posted by Redback

I think you and others are missing the point, it's not restricting anyone, actually for NSW anyway, it has raised the tyre limit without an engineers report from 15mm to 25mm oversize, all this is doing is making anyone who wants to go higher, get it done properly, of coarse like anything, this will only work if it is policed properly and fairly.

This might even give the aftermaket industry a boost, making people go to them to have the mods done, that way insuring they are engineered.

Baz.

You're probably correct. My 'rant', was more about track destroying hoons, than how restrictive (or not) the VSI50 may be.

I've a bee in my bonnet and wanted to vent spleen is all.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Personally I think they should enforce all current rules to the limit...

Make engineering a smoother exercise and enforce its use.

Build what you want, but it must be:
-Safe
-Legal
-Certified

Those that bother are usually sensible users


Besides Slunnie & Myself... Who of you is running an engineered lift / brake / tyre combo?

Mine was in the NT but I am pretty sure it isn't here in QLD so now I want to find an engineer onthe south side of Brisbane to talk to and see what needs to be done to make it 100% legal

Always an interesting read when these kinds of topics come up (again and again). I took a little browse through the 4WD action pics linked below and had a good laugh at this comment in the thread:

Mate? WTF were you doing in a dam? Launching a boat? I don't see one in tha pic...

here the link to the post. :-)

Australian 4WD Action | Forum - View topic - pics of your cars bogged

Launching a boat. Lol. Rofl.

Originally Posted by stevo68

Bottom line for me.....is whether you are a dirt tourer or a crazy mountain climbing freak............your all 4wders to me...regardless of make, magazine etc....hence should stick together...in my book. So...yes...when I read a comment having a go at other 4WDer's....I'll defend. As for the rules......and thanks to BK for the info.......they are still rules looking to be implemented and if so.......like law...is setting a precedent. What will be next??

Regards

Stevo

FWIW I agree with you

Originally Posted by stevo68

Your kidding right....I am on a 4WD forum....am I not. Have you never been bogged...taken the wrong line...wanted to have a crack at something and its gone pearshaped?? What are your views on these......

Where are these pics taken.....am I destroying nature? Or have you jumped on a bandwagon without much thought? Why go mock...what are you...15? Maybe you don't like getting your car dirty....or driving in mud......many do.

I have plenty more pics like you will find on 4WDA.....what you fail to realise/ understand is you have no clue at all where those pics were taken. What if someone was having a lark in their own back paddock but in a NP drives completely different? You judge without facts .

Regards

Stevo

Stevo,

I wasn't going to dignify your post with a response until someone convinced me to change my mind.

Let me try and address your concerns.

Yes I've been bogged, taken the wrong line, had a crack and gone pear shaped as you put it; but I, and most other 4wd enthusiasts, don't go out deliberately looking for poor condition, muddy roads just to endeavour to get through them at all cost.

The two and only 4WDA photos I commented on were the first one on the page; where it appears the driver is attempting to burrow through to China, and the one of the chap who drove, intentionally it appears, into the bog off the side of the road.

I merely commented on how I perceived the photos. But, perhaps, as you suggest, I do judge without the full facts. In which case, I'd be no different to yourself. If only 4WDA had not removed my posts the original posters may have had a chance to clarify any misconstrued observations on my part. And you would have been able to read exactly what I had written in regard to the photos before mounting your high horse.

Contrary to your conjecture, I do have an idea where both photos were taken. The white Patrol was behind 'Morisset Train Station' as indicated in the text. It would be a state owned road used primarily to maintain power lines.

The other looks like a rain forrest, but it is hard to tell for all the mud. It's unlikely to be someones private land as the poster writes, "you may know this track". If it was 'his' land would he not have said, "This is on my property". Anyhow, people tend not to destroy their own backyards with 4WD's. They go somewhere else to do it.

I only have issue with people who intentionally go out of their way to wreck trails and often in wet conditions where the resulting damage can be more severe.

I'm not about to analyse your holiday snaps. But I will point out that I'm amused yet fail to comprehend why you added the beach shot.

You also asked, "Why mock...... Am I 15?"

Mokery is not just for children Stevo. How could you suggest that when surely you can't help but be aware of your own irony. You ask "Why mock? and then go ahead and mock me in the same sentence by suggesting I am a child.

You sure do use use a lot of, "....." in your writing. Is that you pausing to think?

What I don't understand about these types of rules is someone can fit rims/tyres to his vehicle that increase the track by 30mm and the vehicle is then deemed unroadworthy yet a 65 year old man who has never driven anything bigger than a camry can buy a 2.8 tonne 200series,bolt a 3tonne van on the back and load everything but the kitchen sink in it and wobble off down the highway without raising an eyebrow. Pat

Originally Posted by wuldfasche

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Could he not see a better line to take? Oh, I get it! He drove into the deep muddy section on purpose.
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What, and you haven't? If you are just trying to get from A to B, I would understand that, but most of us go into the bush for a good time, and a bit of a challange if one can be found. Some will push further than others, sometimes you get stuck, sometimes you don't. Point is, it's FUN!

Mud, by its very nature is magnetic - it draws you in, and the deeper it is, the seemingly more unavoidable it is.

I only have some 31" muddies on my completely stock Rangie, and it gets me to where I want to go. There are times where things get challanging because the ruts are so deep, but hey, that's life.

If I had the money and I wanted to cut up the Rangie to fit 35's on and jack it up 4", would I? YOU BET! It is all about choice.

If the new rules are implemented as is, will it mean the end of 4WDing?, of course it won't.

As with the Bullbar issue that was recently put to bed, if there are enough people out there against it, people power will prevail. I don't think however that there will be as big an uproar on this, so I wouldn't be suprised to see this pass through...

Cheers - Gav.

Originally Posted by bacicat2000

What, and you haven't? If you are just trying to get from A to B, I would understand that, but most of us go into the bush for a good time, and a bit of a challange if one can be found. Some will push further than others, sometimes you get stuck, sometimes you don't. Point is, it's FUN!

Mud, by its very nature is magnetic - it draws you in, and the deeper it is, the seemingly more unavoidable it is.

I only have some 31" muddies on my completely stock Rangie, and it gets me to where I want to go. There are times where things get challanging because the ruts are so deep, but hey, that's life.

If I had the money and I wanted to cut up the Rangie to fit 35's on and jack it up 4", would I? YOU BET! It is all about choice.

If the new rules are implemented as is, will it mean the end of 4WDing?, of course it won't.

As with the Bullbar issue that was recently put to bed, if there are enough people out there against it, people power will prevail. I don't think however that there will be as big an uproar on this, so I wouldn't be suprised to see this pass through...

Cheers - Gav.

Gosh Gav, what is this 'fun' thing you speak of. I'm unfamiliar with the term.

Might be fun for the idiots tearing up the tracks but it is fun at someone else's expense.

But, so long as you're having fun though eh? It's all o.k.

I see guys who drive miles into the bush and leave their smashed beer bottles and discarded rubbish behind. I guess for them, It must have been so much 'fun' smashing bottles and littering the landscape with no one around that could tell them not to.

Doesn't make it right.