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    Tyre talk in the bush

    With out getting into a debate over tyres i thought i would relate some
    observations made during a recent trip through outback QLD part of SA
    and bits of NSW, a trip of 4500k in two weeks in Sid the disco dieselfitted with BF Goodrich 215/75/16 AT`s, swapped the wheels and tyres off my mates as mine are Michelin, basically road tyres, also my spare was a Michie and decided to get a second hand Goodrich to match when i got to
    Brisbane (from Anna Bay).


    Called into Fourbys in Brisbane and managed to pick up a as new Goodrich AT, while there I enquired about suitable tyres for Sid for
    general off road use, had a long discussion with a very helpful and
    knowelgable member of their staff, for around the same money as the

    Goodrich AT 3 ply sidewall the Coopers SST 2 ply sidewall would be a
    better tyre particually in the mud and had better side wall protection
    and had less tendency to clog up with stones, drove off and thought
    Coopers for me when i get home ( you can only drive on your mates tyres for so long before they start to winge and want them back).



    Headed out from Brisbane to Longreach, Windorah, Betoota, Birdsville,
    Birdsville track then on to the Old Bore track to Innamincka via Bollards
    Homestead, Culumutta Water hole, then down the SA side to Cameron Corner.

    It was here the tyre story takes a turn ( I had run tyre pressures of
    32psi all around on Fourbys recommendation their reasoning being that a
    softer tyre even with some side wall bulge will tend to conform to the
    terrain and in affect "roll" with the stones and obstacles as opposed to
    a hard tyre that has no give and is venerable to punctures and side wall
    damage , with 2 up and a fair amount of weight extra fuel, water etc ,
    we had driven through lots of gibber country and sand dunes a real mixed
    bag of driving)

    At the Cameron Corner pub we ran into a boundary rider
    who maintains a section of the rabbit proof fence, got around to tyre
    talk, as you do in the bush, I mentioned Coopers, well he tells me that
    they don't use them around here as they have lots of trouble with the
    side wall being ripped apart on the gibbers and that a tyre dealer in
    town (Broken Hill 400k away) refuses to sell them because of the
    problems and that they were a pile S*** and that they might be good in
    the rest of the country but not out here, bugger I thought there goes my

    Coopers idea,then on to Tibooburra, Hungerford, the pub, Goodrich you
    say not round here mate!!!!! not with low pressures too many bloody
    punctures, I run Coopers..... back to the Coopers idea, on to Cunnamulla
    then along the NSW border to Stanthorpe and the Girraween NationalPark,back to Brisbane.

    Blow up the tyre to 40psi for the run home, still thinking Coopers v
    Goodrich, in the end I have decided to go with Goodrich based on the
    fact that over 4500k I had not the slightest problem with them, they did
    not clog up with stones and at low pressure the rode well, handelled the
    gibbers and sand, there were no chunks out of them plus the spare I
    bought had never been on the road, $140.

    I think the formula for me regardless of the tyre is more than 70%
    tread, drop the pressure and drive to the conditions mayby I was just
    lucky.

    To end with a real hard luck story met a bloke in Birdsville with a
    Mavric, now this would not have mattered what tyres you had. He ran over an object flicked it up with the front wheel and it banged up under the chassis and drove its self into the rear tyre, before he could stop it
    gouged the mounting plate on the side step tore part of his fibreglass
    flare out, removed the wheel with the flat tyre and managed to get the
    offending object out of the tyre, it had gone in dead centre and square
    to the tread head first........ what was it ????? .....a four inch
    spring shackle bolt.

    Regards Joatt
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    Hi Joat, I dont want to confuse you even more and make the decision even harder, but Cooper tyres only have a 2ply side wall whereas Goodrich have a 3ply side wall, hence technically the Goodrich sidewalls will be more puncture resistant, an alternative to Goodrich which will offer the same puncture resistant is the Goodyear Wrangler. Its a thought. Matt.
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'> To end with a real hard luck story met a bloke in Birdsville with a
    Mavric, now this would not have mattered what tyres you had. He ran over an object flicked it up with the front wheel and it banged up under the chassis and drove its self into the rear tyre, before he could stop it
    gouged the mounting plate on the side step tore part of his fibreglass
    flare out, removed the wheel with the flat tyre and managed to get the
    offending object out of the tyre, it had gone in dead centre and square
    to the tread head first........ what was it ????? .....a four inch
    spring shackle bolt. [/b][/quote]

    Can tell a very similar story about 40k out of Innamincka flicked a jockey wheel froma trailer up (thought I had missed it) but just clipped it with the front and it went through the sidewall of the brand new back tyre [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img]


    Bushie

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    Thanks for that thought Matt , your right about the sidewall 2v3 ply , that was part of Forbys argument , saying that 3 plys tended to move and chafe more under load thus weakining the sidewall !!!, cant say I agree with that one.
    Thats a hard luck story Bushie , whats the odds on that.
    Joatt
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    We ran wrangler A/T's for quite a large number of kays on a series thre ute (which grew into a wagon within a couple of years), did a lot of off road work over varied terrain. Never had a single problem with these tyres, till eventually they went onto my series two tray back shorty. Then I had one major mishap that stopped me from using all four of the tyres (plus spare) at the same time.



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    The BFG's are good, but I am a dunlop tyre man through and through, I never buy anything esle but dunlop grandtreks are pricey, thats what you get when you buy quality. As an alternative I looked into the goodyears (goodyear are made by dunlop) for when my Desert Duelers die (on the vehicle when i bought it, had only done a 1000km). I know that muddies are a different kettle of fish but in a mud tyre comparo done by 4wd monthly the BFG goodrich scored the best, then the coopers, then goodyears. I immediately discounted the coopers due the the thinner side wall, coincidently 4wd monthly noted this aswell, however performance gave it the higher score. A good tyre but the thinner side wall makes it vulnerable. I guess your intended driving and the places you plan to go all get taken into account when you buy tyres. Matt
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    Just to add another facet to the argument.

    My understanding is that BFG's have a 3 ply sidewall, and coopers have a 2 ply sidewayy, however the coopser have a thicker 2 plies, so the overall thickness of the sidewall is pretty similar.
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    Where's tyrepower when you need him, with a name like his he's bound to have something to say on this subject. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

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    I'm here...... The best way to buy tyres is to do your own personal research, then buy what suits your budget and needs. Everone has personal favorites. Just be aware of people who bag a product. Yet have never tried, or can comment from personal experiance. BFG, Coopers or what ever you get as long as your happy and its a good price, then it's a good deal. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

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    That's what i like, unbiased advice, I agree, I'm running kumho's at the moment, because they were on the car when I bought it. So far they've been great, just too small, and I'd like a more aggresive tread than their A/T has. Really thoughI can't fault their performance.

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