Thread: Bull bar blitz: rural drivers fined

Originally Posted by PhilipA

A trolley jack will do it. I have fitted and removed bullbars by myself several times and not ones that just slotted on. I am sure the bar makers could come up with a fitting for a trolley jack.

Most bullbars come in at about 35-37 Kg .

My suggestion is if the authorities decide to ban bullbars in cities as they already have in Europe. In that case you may have no choice and a removable one may be the only answer.
I just had another thought. The whole bar need not come off, just the loops. Think, the loops could be socketed into the bumper part of the bar. In the USA and UK most front bumpers do not have loops. You could leave the bumper and winch in place with maybe a cover, and maybe even driving lights. This would probably be approved if the profile of the bar was like the original bumper profile.

Regards Philip A

Im sure you bolt it up well, just not so sure about others


A defender bulbar weighs around 45-50kg + a winch is another 35-45kg, which with lights is nudging 100kg total. And there is no answer for storage?
If you make the loops removable, they will be, removed, just not by you.


We are not in the U.K or USA, where there are virtually zero roo strikes compared to pedestrian hits, whats the ratio here?
. You hit a cow in any country your going to stop. Buffalo/Bison are almost extinct in the U.S whereas in Australia there are more roo's than when captain cook stepped ashore as we made a perfect environment for them to breed. Factor in more guns than people in the USA and any larger animals like deer etc keep well clear of any roads further reducing impacts.



A few points I got out of this report against an ad campaign from vic roads.
* 90 deaths a year, maybe, nationally where impact was with a vehicle with a bulbar.
* compared to 9000, impacts in 2007 in NSW alone recorded by one insurance company NRMA, extrapolate that across the rest of OZ, then trow in the unreported ones where the bar is only scratched,,, hmmm.
This means at the best estimate it's one pedestrian fatality to way over 100+ potential driver fatalities.
[ame]http://www.aaaa.com.au/files/issues/PositionPaperBullbars.pdf[/ame]


Heres another international study on motoring fatalities to 2011, with an interesting quote from page 53.
Since 1990, the percentage reduction in pedestrian fatalities (-59%) has been considerably larger than that for vehicle occupant fatalities (-46%).


[ame="http://www.internationaltransportforum.org/pub/pdf/13IrtadReport.pdf"]http://www.internationaltransportforum.org/pub/pdf/13IrtadReport.pdf[/ame]



Flogged from disco micks thread:
[ame]http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/rda/files/RDA_JULY_2014.pdf[/ame]
Pedestrian deaths dropped to 150-164 2013 -14 from over 400, 2 decades ago.

I've killed five in one night between Katherine and Timber Creek. 330kms.

Wet season, doing back to 80kmh. Middle off-road where possible. Jumping straight out of the long grass into me.

Another night we ended up camping by the road 150kms short of Meeka (via Sandstone). Roos so thick we were back to a crawl to stop hitting them. At our average speed we'd not have reached Meeka till the morning...


Most grey nomads driving early and camping up early will never hit one.