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The interesting bit is - that there is a cycle path 100 metres to the West of Sydney Road that makes it perfectly safe for cyclists. Most are smart enough to use it, those that don't complain about being held up by slower cyclists so use Sydney road instead - and some get cleaned up. These are the same people that say motorists need to be more patient...Quote:
Originally Posted by frantic
No they're not. All motorists need to be patient and respectful around all cyclists (and pedestrians) at all times, no matter where they are. Cyclists also need to be patient and respectful towards drivers, but THE BIG DIFFERENCE is cyclists are far more vulnerable, so drivers need to be extra careful, considerate and patient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homestar
thats your decision to be vulnerable. not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLandy
why should i have to be extra careful, considerate and patient because of your poor decisions?
as a motorbike rider, i know im vulnerable and i make allowances for that. i dont expect other road users to cater for me. i expect other road users to look for me, and that applied regardless of bike, car, etc.
Let's put it a different kind of way: you live in a village next to a large field that's a shortcut to town, problem is it was planted with land mines 10 years ago and every year 15-20 people get maimed or killed, but there is a path cleared to town 100 meters to the west, do you insist on "your right" to take the shortcut or use the safe path?Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLandy
Seriously??? You live in a society so yes, you should look out for other people regardless of their choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eevo
BTW, just a regular amount of careful & considerate would be sufficient.
Be that the case or not, like when riding a motorbike, you have to assume everyone else is trying to kill you. No point being right and dead...Quote:
Originally Posted by solmanic
thats what i give, doesnt matter if your bike, car or airplane.Quote:
Originally Posted by solmanic
i learnt this the hard way. spent 3 weeks in hospital cause i was right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homestar
Like many others here, I noticed that the occasional post in this thread shows a certain amount of intolerance of other road users.
However I recently stumbled across some comments following a news story about reclining airline seats. The total disregard shown there for the rights, comfort, convenience, and views of other passengers, made everyone here appears remarkably tolerant and considerate.
The claims that some airline passengers made about what they would do to anyone who infringed on their right to recline their seat or conversely to use the space that would disappear if the seat in front was reclined, beggar belief.
I hope none of those airline passengers ever find themselves on the road and inconvenienced by a truck, car, cyclist or pedestrian.
The inability occasionally shown here to see things from someone else's point of view didn't seem so bad after reading about reclining airline seats.
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So you've actually injured a pedestrian? :angel: Learnt from your mistakes? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh
I don't know about your driving or riding skills, but after approx 50 000km of general cycling I've never hit a pedestrian, a car, a truck or another cyclist. I ride according to the conditions, a process that comes naturally to some. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower but always within my ability to safely stop where there other people around. There's these magic devices on my bike called "brakes", you may have heard of them. Knowing how well they work could save you some bother!
To swap your analogy, do you think that all cars should travel at a maximum of 25km/h just on the off chance you meet some unexpected child, emergency worker or wandering animal? Or even your Granny on a bike? It would make as much sense as demanding walking pace on all foot paths, regardless of sight lines or a complete lack of pedestrians.
When I see some commenters lump all cyclists together as "window lickers" or some such trite rubbish, I don't have high hopes for their respect for me whilst on a bike. I'm perfectly aware that most people are polite and respectful in real life, I meet them on the road all the time. It's just the occasional arses that revel in seeing someone else in pain because they have "othered" them as a group. And this sort of thread seems to be click bait for them. So my apologies if I don't agree with you, these micro aggressions are what make my blood boil. Once again have a nice day. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Homestar
Oh and if the mods did actually close this thread I would be quite pleased that the place was more welcoming to people who both cycle and drive Land Rovers. I really can't see the point of it staying open.