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Seriously? Well let me make it even simpler for you. Of course cyclists need to ride defensively, because they are the vulnerable ones. I dont think a cyclist is ever going to run a D4 off the road, do you? Or open its door on you as you drive past?Quote:
Originally Posted by MR LR
courtesy doesn't save lives.
following the road rules safes lives.
some of the rules are not well defined.
the likelihood of an event is the same for bikes and cars.
possibly higher for a bike due to the smaller cross section
the consequences of an event occurring are much higher for a bike.
only you can mitigate risk, you can only be responsible for yourself. you cant rely on the other guy.
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If the consequences are higher for a bike, they are caused by a car. Hence the car driver needs to be more careful, courteous and follow the road rules which clearly state that a cyclist has equal right to be on the road and that the car must give the bike space.
The more you guys tell us that bike riders need to take the responsibility and defend the drivers who don't the bigger hole you are digging for yourself as a driver.
I hope I'm never riding anywhere near you and your bad and frankly dangerous attitude.
courtesy doesn't save lives. of course it does
following the road rules safes lives.obviously
some of the rules are not well defined exactly why courtesy saves lives
Courtesy absolutely does save lives, as its akin to defensive (pre-empting situations) driving. As opposed to aggressive driving, which is all too common and does result in injury, some of which are fatal.
The road is brand new... smooth wide sides. Lovely completely separated bicycle lane. Completely separate service roads. If the poor tax payer had built a nice path just for me where I would be safe ...... Guess where I'd ride/drive/be.Quote:
Originally Posted by bee utey
I liken them to people that swim at a boat ramps viciously complaining about all the assholes in boats everywhere :wasntme:
BTW: I ride bikes too. It'll be a frozen day in hell before you would find me riding an expensive brand name bike, wearing a shiny costume that must be an "indestructibility costume"..... That I test daily by trying to get cars to run me down by lane sharing on country roads through dips, crests and corners.
What ever happened to common sense :wasntme: :o
seeya,
Shane L.
walking to work last thursday, i had a green man to walk.
a bike ran the red light n hit me.
its not hard, red means stop.
In December 2015, the NSW Minister for Roads Duncan Gay announced a new package of rules for cyclists and drivers.
These new rules start on 1st March 2016 and include:
? Drivers must leave a minimum distance when passing bicycle riders ? at least one metre when travelling up to 60km/h and at least 1.5 metres when travelling faster than 60km/h.
o Failure to comply with this rule will attract a penalty of $319 and 2 demerit points.
o To help drivers provide the minimum distance some exemptions to the road rules will apply. Eg, sometimes this may mean you need to cross an unbroken line or use a painted median, etc. More details about exemptions are on this page Go Together - Campaigns - NSW Centre for Road Safety
? Penalties will increase for bicycle riders who are:
o Not a wearing helmet (from $71 to $319)
o Running a red light (from $71 to $425)
o Riding dangerously (from $71 to $425)
o Holding on to a moving vehicle (from $71 to $319)
o Not stopping at children's/pedestrian crossing ($71 to $425).
o Penalties for other bicycle rider offences will also increase from $71 to $106, including the offence of riding at night without lights
Bicycle riders aged 18 years and over will need to carry photo ID so that they can be identified in an emergency or if they break the road rules. Bicycle riders will have 12 months to adjust to the new law. From 1st March 2017, riders stopped by police for breaking the road rules could face an additional $106 fine if they do not have the required photo ID.
Bicycle riders will also need to provide a minimum distance of one metre when passing pedestrians on a shared path, where practical.
More information is available at gotogether.transport.nsw.gov.au.
Go Together - Campaigns - NSW Centre for Road Safety
Why do they need 12 months to adjust? How hard is it to carry ID and observe the new laws. Not many car road rules have a 12 month grace period
Can't say I bother with wearing a helmet ... I've been riding a bike for 35years without one... Then again I don't ride where I'm 100% likely to get squished either. Everyone scream at once "REVENUE RAISING".Quote:
Originally Posted by Chenz
seeya,
shane L.
You sure it is a bicycle lane and not an off road shared path? One is a legal requirement to cycle on and the other is an option. BTW I would prefer to ride on the off road path too, but then I'm not a racer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
If it was a "no swimming" area then they get the abuse they deserve. Swimming/cycling where it's legal is another matter and should at least be respected.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
Well there's the thing, I hate cycling on busy roads too, so we're more similar than you think. But there's no accounting for taste, I mean, some people drive lowered ricers and enjoy a bit of speed too ;). I might shake my head at the Tupperware bike riders antics but I'll at least give them all the clearance I can (when driving). :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
Anyone silly enough to step off a kerb without looking both ways for loose nutters will surely get skittled one day. It's not hard, look both ways before crossing the street. We learnt that in grade 1. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eevo
Ya sure? I must tell that to the motorists, pedestrians and cyclists just about everywhere, esp. at the marion/daws rd bike crossings, plenty of them don't see a red as a mandatory stop. Seems like people just don't like obeying rules that slow them down. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eevo