Thread: Cyclists.

Originally Posted by loneranger

Pedestrians

jay walking that bad hey?

Originally Posted by Eevo

jay walking that bad hey?

Plagues of them.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQwxvBmfes[/ame]

Bells, who listens for one of them?

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GsUnujX6yQ[/ame]

It's loads messier when pedestrians do that in front of a car or bus.

Originally Posted by bee utey

Plagues of them.

you got a point there. from memory, almost noone jay walks in melb or sydney compared to adelaide.

Originally Posted by bee utey

Plagues of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTQwxvBmfes

Bells, who listens for one of them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GsUnujX6yQ

It's loads messier when pedestrians do that in front of a car or bus.

If your on a footpath, especially through gardens and parks of course pedestrians are going to walk infront of a silent bike approaching at speed. Ringing the bell is utter stupidity.

I find if I'm riding a bike and I'm going to crash into someone, screaming "Out the way asshole" way more effective.... the problem is getting it out quick enough. The panic in your voice will generally get the person moving pretty quickly though.

Bike riders simply need to understand. The infrastructure we have was NOT made for them. Pedestrians come first, then traffic ( I don't give a **** what rules say, if something is fast, hard and weighs over 1ton .... and is generally driven by a blind imbecile ..... It has right of way under all circumstances ). Bikes come last. If there is no bike path, you take your risks single file on the side of the road. Pick low speed back streets ... Yes people will back out in front of you (pretend your backing out of the drives .... You can't see **** right ?? Why do you think those drivers have magical "see through scenery to spot bike moving at high speed" vision).

Your the bottom of the pecking order on a pushbike. Everything can hurt you. Ride with that understanding. Don't mix with peak hour traffic. That is utter stupidity. Don't lane share, especially don't lane share on narrow windy country roads where cars travel at high speed. The government can make all the stupid, unreasonable, un-enforceable rules they like. The reality is bikes shouldn't be there. You would never catch me riding my bike on country roads or through peak hour traffic. I also wouldn't ride a bike on a walking track through a park at anything other than walking pace.

seeya,
shane L.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

If your on a footpath, especially through gardens and parks of course pedestrians are going to walk infront of a silent bike approaching at speed. Ringing the bell is utter stupidity.

I find if I'm riding a bike and I'm going to crash into someone, screaming "Out the way asshole" way more effective.... the problem is getting it out quick enough. The panic in your voice will generally get the person moving pretty quickly though.

Bike riders simply need to understand. The infrastructure we have was NOT made for them. Pedestrians come first, then traffic ( I don't give a **** what rules say, if something is fast, hard and weighs over 1ton .... and is generally driven by a blind imbecile ..... It has right of way under all circumstances ). Bikes come last. If there is no bike path, you take your risks single file on the side of the road. Pick low speed back streets ... Yes people will back out in front of you (pretend your backing out of the drives .... You can't see **** right ?? Why do you think those drivers have magical "see through scenery to spot bike moving at high speed" vision).

Your the bottom of the pecking order on a pushbike. Everything can hurt you. Ride with that understanding. Don't mix with peak hour traffic. That is utter stupidity. Don't lane share, especially don't lane share on narrow windy country roads where cars travel at high speed. The government can make all the stupid, unreasonable, un-enforceable rules they like. The reality is bikes shouldn't be there. You would never catch me riding my bike on country roads or through peak hour traffic. I also wouldn't ride a bike on a walking track through a park at anything other than walking pace.

seeya,
shane L.

Great rant there.

Now if you're (note spelling) riding on a designated shared use path with clear and frequent signs reminding both walkers and cyclists to keep left, also signs asking cyclists to use their bell while overtaking, that your typical dumb pedestrian might be expected to be moderately aware of their surroundings. Sure this cyclist made a mistake overestimating the pedestrians awareness, but in the end no-one had to go to hospital. A learning moment for both of them.

screaming "Out the way asshole" way more effective....

A terrible attitude and likely to give cyclists a bad reputation...

The infrastructure we have was NOT made for them.

Tell that to the Council that spends tens of thousands on these shared paths.

I happen to know that particular path quite well and know it's a part of the commuter network of shared cycleways that the Adelaide City Council have constructed to keep bikes off the main roads into the city centre (You know, good infrastructure for motorists.) I've yet to make the same mistake of running down a sleep walker but, you know, I do take care when cycling around in the wide outdoors to come home unscathed.

Originally Posted by bee utey

Tell that to the Council that spends tens of thousands on these shared paths.

compare that to tens of millions spend on roads.

i'm not sure what my point is.

Originally Posted by bee utey

Great rant there.

Now if you're (note spelling) riding on a designated shared use path with clear and frequent signs reminding both walkers and cyclists to keep left, also signs asking cyclists to use their bell while overtaking, that your typical dumb pedestrian might be expected to be moderately aware of their surroundings. Sure this cyclist made a mistake overestimating the pedestrians awareness, but in the end no-one had to go to hospital. A learning moment for both of them.



A terrible attitude and likely to give cyclists a bad reputation...



Tell that to the Council that spends tens of thousands on these shared paths.

I happen to know that particular path quite well and know it's a part of the commuter network of shared cycleways that the Adelaide City Council have constructed to keep bikes off the main roads into the city centre (You know, good infrastructure for motorists.) I've yet to make the same mistake of running down a sleep walker but, you know, I do take care when cycling around in the wide outdoors to come home unscathed.

Yeah well ... when your in a panic 'cos you think your about to run someone down ............. You "might" yell something you usually wouldn't.

People, especially kids will wander around in a daze in parks and gardens. Shared paths are stupidity.... the bikes must do walking pace. They *may* work where the path is only there for travelling rather than site seeing. If your on a shared path that works it's way along a busy road ... The pedestrians should be well aware there will be bikes whizzing past. In any sort of family/site seeing area. It's simply not going to work unless bikes are moving at walking pace.

seeya,
Shane L.

Originally Posted by justinc

Don't get me started on that road and cyclists dave 😠😠😠 i cannot believe how there aren't daily deaths from cyclists being either run over or beaten to death by frustrated motorists...

Jc

Yep, there are lots of cyclists, but I've been impressed by the courtesy I have seen being shown to them.
Certainly more than when I used to cycle over it on the very odd occasion.

(It was much more fun on the BM when the limit was 100)

cheers