Cyclists.

**Homestar** · 28th April 2016, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by frantic

Obviously from the article that stretch of road is not suitable for cyclists , this should be recognised and appropriate bans put in place. For many motorists and cyclists high traffic, delivery vehicles, trams and lots of pedestrians create to many things to look out for. In most minds their arse comes first so the cyclist is last on the long list of hazards��.
So in the best interests of all put a diversion for cyclists around that street, just as we do for pedestrians malls etc

The interesting bit is - that there is a cycle path 100 metres to the West of Sydney Road that makes it perfectly safe for cyclists. Most are smart enough to use it, those that don't complain about being held up by slower cyclists so use Sydney road instead - and some get cleaned up. These are the same people that say motorists need to be more patient...

MrLandy · 28th April 2016, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Homestar

The interesting bit is - that there is a cycle path 100 metres to the West of Sydney Road that makes it perfectly safe for cyclists. Most are smart enough to use it, those that don't complain about being held up by slower cyclists so use Sydney road instead - and some get cleaned up. These are the same people that say motorists need to be more patient...

No they're not. All motorists need to be patient and respectful around all cyclists (and pedestrians) at all times, no matter where they are. Cyclists also need to be patient and respectful towards drivers, but THE BIG DIFFERENCE is cyclists are far more vulnerable, so drivers need to be extra careful, considerate and patient.

**Eevo** · 28th April 2016, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by MrLandy

but THE BIG DIFFERENCE is cyclists are far more vulnerable, so drivers need to be extra careful, considerate and patient.

thats your decision to be vulnerable. not mine.
why should i have to be extra careful, considerate and patient because of your poor decisions?

as a motorbike rider, i know im vulnerable and i make allowances for that. i dont expect other road users to cater for me. i expect other road users to look for me, and that applied regardless of bike, car, etc.

**frantic** · 28th April 2016, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by MrLandy

No they're not. All motorists need to be patient and respectful around all cyclists (and pedestrians) at all times, no matter where they are. Cyclists also need to be patient and respectful towards drivers, but THE BIG DIFFERENCE is cyclists are far more vulnerable, so drivers need to be extra careful, considerate and patient.

Let's put it a different kind of way: you live in a village next to a large field that's a shortcut to town, problem is it was planted with land mines 10 years ago and every year 15-20 people get maimed or killed, but there is a path cleared to town 100 meters to the west, do you insist on "your right" to take the shortcut or use the safe path?

**solmanic** · 28th April 2016, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Eevo

thats your decision to be vulnerable. not mine.
why should i have to be extra careful, considerate and patient because of your poor decisions?

Seriously??? You live in a society so yes, you should look out for other people regardless of their choices.

BTW, just a regular amount of careful & considerate would be sufficient.

**Homestar** · 28th April 2016, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by solmanic

Seriously??? You live in a society so yes, you should look out for other people regardless of their choices.

BTW, just a regular amount of careful & considerate would be sufficient.

Be that the case or not, like when riding a motorbike, you have to assume everyone else is trying to kill you. No point being right and dead...

**Eevo** · 28th April 2016, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by solmanic

BTW, just a regular amount of careful & considerate would be sufficient.

thats what i give, doesnt matter if your bike, car or airplane.

**Eevo** · 28th April 2016, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Homestar

No point being right and dead...

i learnt this the hard way. spent 3 weeks in hospital cause i was right.

**vnx205** · 28th April 2016, 12:20 PM

Like many others here, I noticed that the occasional post in this thread shows a certain amount of intolerance of other road users.

However I recently stumbled across some comments following a news story about reclining airline seats. The total disregard shown there for the rights, comfort, convenience, and views of other passengers, made everyone here appears remarkably tolerant and considerate.

The claims that some airline passengers made about what they would do to anyone who infringed on their right to recline their seat or conversely to use the space that would disappear if the seat in front was reclined, beggar belief.

I hope none of those airline passengers ever find themselves on the road and inconvenienced by a truck, car, cyclist or pedestrian.

The inability occasionally shown here to see things from someone else's point of view didn't seem so bad after reading about reclining airline seats.

**bee utey** · 28th April 2016, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Don't know t you but, as a cyclist, I'd be more concerned about the pedestrian I've put in hospital with a cracked rib.
That is why I always ride at around walking pace when riding on the footpath.
Why the rush?

So you've actually injured a pedestrian?

Learnt from your mistakes?

I don't know about your driving or riding skills, but after approx 50 000km of general cycling I've never hit a pedestrian, a car, a truck or another cyclist. I ride according to the conditions, a process that comes naturally to some. Sometimes faster, sometimes slower but always within my ability to safely stop where there other people around. There's these magic devices on my bike called "brakes", you may have heard of them. Knowing how well they work could save you some bother!

To swap your analogy, do you think that all cars should travel at a maximum of 25km/h just on the off chance you meet some unexpected child, emergency worker or wandering animal? Or even your Granny on a bike? It would make as much sense as demanding walking pace on all foot paths, regardless of sight lines or a complete lack of pedestrians.

Originally Posted by Homestar

I think that is completely wrong. Both myself and many others here that have been seen by some here as cyclist haters because of some of our views on the extremists are very respectful of cyclists on the road and even cycle themselves.

I do both, but my views on some here and their blatant one sided behaviour is what ticks me off. I also know how to climb down off my soapbox and enjoy myself from time to time. Maybe some here need a set of steps for theirs...

When I see some commenters lump all cyclists together as "window lickers" or some such trite rubbish, I don't have high hopes for their respect for me whilst on a bike. I'm perfectly aware that most people are polite and respectful in real life, I meet them on the road all the time. It's just the occasional arses that revel in seeing someone else in pain because they have "othered" them as a group. And this sort of thread seems to be click bait for them. So my apologies if I don't agree with you, these micro aggressions are what make my blood boil. Once again have a nice day.

Oh and if the mods did actually close this thread I would be quite pleased that the place was more welcoming to people who both cycle and drive Land Rovers. I really can't see the point of it staying open.

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