Thread: JLR Survey 50% of Australian Millennials want Electric over ICE

V8Ian, and any other doubting Thomas ,

Read & Understand . These are real life numbers , no made up bull**** . (If you want evidence for where the numbers come from I can provide it)




At 80% Depth of Discharge LFP batteries are good for 3000 charge cycles .
Practical distance = 80km per charge 80x3000 = 240,000 km divided by $22,000 = total conversion cost of $.09 per km .


Charging from 5kw PV system , Car has 3.3kw onboard charger , Solar Charging = free
Charging from Tesla Destination chargers = free


No Solar ? .... Charging from 15A GPO @ $0.25c kwh (average Australian Electricity tariff) x 28kwh per 100km = $.07 per km


Todays average petrol price $ 1.60 L
Guesstimate generous petrol economy 15L /100km 15x1.60 = $24.00 per 100km = $.24 per km


Petrol cost over 100,000km = $24,000 , theres your EV conversion paid for.


Petrol cost over 240,000 km = $57,600 at todays price which is set to rise as battery tech develops & lithium price decreases


With the Internal Combustion engine you'll be looking to get a rebuild at 240,000km & probably cost another $10,000


At 240,000km existing batteries will be starting to degrade, $10,000 at todays prices (still ahead) but there will be new better / cheaper tech by then.


On top of that you have zero servicing costs (other than gear oil brakes / tyres etc) Brake wear is reduced due to regen braking , no exhaust or cooling system maintenance.

EDIT, I can see your going to call this BS because its a home made $22,000 EV

OK apply same figures to a $57,000 Factory EV , using my 28kwh/100km . If you use solar it will pay itself off in 240,000km. But it will be sooner because factory EV's are more efficient, a Nissan Leaf gets 18kwh /100km , Tesla Model-S 20kwh/100km . And don't forget to think that petrol prices are going to keep increasing , so it will probably pay for itself in 150-180,000 km .

Originally Posted by goingbush

EDIT, I can see your going to call this BS because its a home made $22,000 EV.

OK apply same figures to a $57,000 Factory EV , using my 28kwh/100km . If you use solar it will pay itself off in 240,000km. But it will be sooner because factory EV's are more efficient, a Nissan Leaf gets 18kwh /100km , Tesla Model-S 20kwh/100km . And don't forget to think that petrol prices are going to keep increasing , so it will probably pay for itself in 150-180,000 km .

AND - if you don't like the purchase prices of the current crop of EVs, take your choice of a trusty old LR and convert it to EV - probably cheaper than buying a new one. And every day the options increase and the prices decrease.

As stated here by many many times, EVs won't work for every situation, but would satisfy many.

Goingbush - good on you, I for one amongst many am terribly impressed with your efforts and your magnificent and detailed posting here.

Now, when can I start converting the LSE?

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Originally Posted by gavinwibrow

AND - if you don't like the purchase prices of the current crop of EVs, take your choice of a trusty old LR and convert it to EV - probably cheaper than buying a new one. And every day the options increase and the prices decrease.

As stated here by many many times, EVs won't work for every situation, but would satisfy many.

Goingbush - good on you, I for one amongst many am terribly impressed with your efforts and your magnificent and detailed posting here.

Now, when can I start converting the LSE?

Thank You.

One thing to bear in mind, Not that I watch Top Gear or take any notice of that Jeremy Clarkson moron, I did see a quote somewhere that he hates EV's because the "performance is not Linear ".

From that I take it he means they go like **** of a shovel when the battery fully charged, & after 50% depletion acceleration drops off . True if you drive like a dickwad . If I accelerate flat out in 3rd from a stop when battery is about 50% I get a low battery (20%) alarm when I hit about 70kmh , back off & its back to 50% . But can still accelerate to 100kmh but just not at full throttle, That is 'non linear'


Same Applies in a petrol car really, but to a lesser extent , if your down to 1/4 tank and you've got 100km to the next petrol station your going to start driving really carefully ( ah so you do get Range Anxiety in a petrol car too)

An interesting article from the UK...

A day in the life of a Tesla supercharger | Autocar

Interesting discussion... I feel JLR will have to speed up in order not to miss the plot completely. On the other hand, they are at least attempting to join the bandwagon. So far, they are one only three trying to give Tesla a match:
Jaguar I-PACE | Our First All-Electric Car | Jaguar
(The other ones being Audi and Mercedes). They will have to do much more and not only provide a token vehicle. All of the three contenders are trailing behind Tesla big time, which is not surprising as Tesla is several years in advance. I would not swap my Tesla for any of these (nor would I swap my Land rovers for anything else...) LR had an all-electric Defender at one of their properties a few years ago, supposedly for testing purposes. I wonder what has become of it?
Apart from all the figures and theoretical approaches, electrical vehicles really have the edge even in real life. I was sceptical myself to start with but now there's no looking back. Just waiting for my all-electric Series truck...

Petrol cost over 100,000km = $24,000 , theres your EV conversion paid for.

Er haven't you not included replacement cost of batteries after 8-10 years?

In fact AFAIR , you have already had to replace some batteries.
if you are talking Tesla, there are also pretty frequent brake replacements and also failures of batteries eg the 400KK article was on its third set of batteries at about $50k each.

Regards Philip A

Also Nissan. The Leaf is the world's best-selling EV.