Thread: JLR Survey 50% of Australian Millennials want Electric over ICE

Originally Posted by PhilipA

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But the question is "Will they sell?" eg

Prius have been an abject failure in Australia.

Prius are doing OK seeing that they are a niche vehicle suited more to cities than the country.

Toyota Prius sales reach 20,000 in Australia | Behind the Wheel

As for the rest of your post I suggest you scrub the political comment before the mods see it.

Don't forget the Camry and Corolla can also be had as hybrids, as can the Mitsui Out lander, all solid sellers.

Prius are doing OK seeing that they are a niche vehicle suited more to cities than the country.

By definition hybrids are more suitable for the city as in the country the electric motor is hardly used and the driver relies on the mostly wimpy ICE. As the fuel economy is the whole point of hybrids the motor is usually downsized to give better economy. In the city the electric motor is used much more so better economy. This will also affect towing ability.

This was the major gripe by Clarkson about the Q8 which went from a nice ICE V8 to a V6 with electric motor. His specific gripe was put the foot down and nothing , nothing, until put down further then wham!

I can see EVs being popular in Europe where a Golf is about the biggest high volume car and of course diesels banned from cities etc . But Australia is different in many ways.

Regards Philip A
I had a look at the specs of the Outlander . On a trip when the battery is flat , progress would be pretty slow.

Tare 2370Kg

The motor has 87Kw , 1 less than a Honda Jazz. The towing capacity is 1500Kg which is about half of the recent Gin palace weights.
Maximum towing capacity with trailer brakes (kg)
1500


Maximum towing capacity without trailer brakes (kg)



750

Interestingly, a relative of mine has just replaced her hybrid Camry with a RAV4 - pretty sure it is not a hybrid. The Camry was a writeoff after the third roo strike in a year; the RAV4 has a roo bar. I don't think they make them for the Camry. Or, for that matter, any hybrid or EV.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

Interestingly, a relative of mine has just replaced her hybrid Camry with a RAV4 - pretty sure it is not a hybrid. The Camry was a writeoff after the third roo strike in a year; the RAV4 has a roo bar. I don't think they make them for the
Camry. Or, for that matter, any hybrid or EV.

Not in Aust till 2019 , but as usual already sold everywhere else

2018 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid Crossover | Let’s redefine what a hybrid can be.

Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it.

Electricity has to be one of the least efficient ways to power things yet they’re being shoved down our throats. Glad somebody finally put engineering and math to paper.

A home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than three houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.

This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles. Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load.

So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system!

This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS...!' and a shrug.

It’s enlightening.

Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4.5 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours.

In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.

WOW ....................

Well, here is something to think about.....!

According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity.

I pay approximately $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery.

$18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery.

Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.

The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000-plus.

So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.

Interesting points. I read that the 40kw Nissan Leaf costs about $4 to recharge, depending on power prices, for an official range of 270km in Australia or 350 in Europe.

Four dollars to go to work and back for a week. Certainly cheaper than what I pay now for petrol , and what Michele pays for her myki each week