Thread: Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

Originally Posted by 4bee

But at what cost to the rest of the globe?
Black powder may settle back to the earth but what of the gasses, they don't, they simply add to the mess the world is in.

Apparently the effect is much more localised. Still not good though.

Our prettiest pollutant: just how bad are fireworks for the environment?

My post was more in response to someones thought about redirecting the money to fund climate change action.

Not mine, mine mentioned using the cash to help others in strife ie. Farmers, water etc. not to add to the problem.

Btw, that is an interesting article on Fireworks.

Originally Posted by rick130

Very true!

and I could get into how that correlates with the supposedly enlightened advaita vedanta philosopher/guru's of India who for millennia said the same, that linear time was a human construct and the past, present and future existed concurrently and what we perceive as real is merely illusion, a reality created by our minds.

And I haven't had a single drink tonight.

They currently were, are and will be correct.

Originally Posted by AK83

Really? explaining to me that science doesn't care what I think?
Show someone the truth in the form of actual data, and their response is nah nah nah nah!
How stupid of me to expect some form of mature conversation!

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So you don't consider that explaining that the whole basis of your argument ie that scientists have been wrong in the past so can't be trusted, is not a mature response?

I would have thought it was a more effective response that countering every single piece of evidence you produce with an alternative piece of evidence.

Pointing out that you are relying on a logical fallacy should have made you at least reconsider your position.

Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

The Sydney fireworks epitomise the way ‘spectacle’ is replacing meaning in our society. We have become obsessed with the ‘look’ of life, over real substance and we use ‘substances’ to pursue the image of paradise, of an idyllic lifestyle, whilst simultaneously destroying the paradise that previously existed.

Fireworks are simultaneously a superficial environmentally destructive ‘commodity’ and a ritualistic source of entertainment. The $6m investment generates massive income for the city of Sydney yes, but is it just more fuel for a society that values spectacle over substance? Many would argue that the $6m could be better invested in something off more meaningful benefit to society and less destructive to the environment.

‘The Society of the Spectacle’ is a good place to start for anyone truly interested in getting to the bottom of what is really driving the climate change debate.

The Society of the Spectacle - Wikipedia

“Debord traces the development of a modern society in which authentic social life has been replaced with its representation: "All that once was directly lived has become mere representation."^[2] Debord argues that the history of social life can be understood as "the decline of being into having, and having into merely appearing."^[3] This condition, according to Debord, is the "historical moment at which the commodity completes its colonization of social life."^[4]

GOLLEE, I'm just glad you edjamicated people are down south, we do ok up here without all that mumbo jumbo . A simple life is less complicated, and besides people up here are too busy working to contemplate our navels. Now, about the drought, and all those fires......

Originally Posted by bob10

GOLLEE, I'm just glad you edjamicated people are down south, we do ok up here without all that mumbo jumbo . A simple life is less complicated, and besides people up here are too busy working to contemplate our navels. Now, about the drought, and all those fires......

Considering the number of odd posts you make Bob, you’ve clearly got plenty of time to contemplate your navel.

It’s pretty clear that current climate change is caused by human consumption of resources. The causal link is obvious. Focussing on the symptoms only (ie keeping it simple, or ignoring the causes, as you seem to be suggesting) is part of the problem.

Treating the causes is the solution...reducing consumption of fossil resources is the answer. No matter how hard it is to swallow.

Actually doing it is the problem because we’re all addicted to the consumption. Hence the complication.

...a simple life, ah yes the holy grail of materialism.

Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

Considering the number of odd posts you make Bob, you’ve clearly got plenty of time to contemplate your navel.

It’s pretty clear that current climate change is caused by human consumption of resources. The causal link is obvious. Focussing on the symptoms only (ie keeping it simple, or ignoring the causes, as you seem to be suggesting) is part of the problem. Treating the causes is the solution...reducing consumption of fossil resources is the answer. No matter how hard it is to swallow. Actually doing it is the problem because we’re all addicted to the consumption. Hence the complication. ...a simple life, ah yes the holy grail of materialism.

Congratulations for making something simple sound so complicated.

Originally Posted by bob10

Congratulations for making something simple sound so complicated.

If it were simple it wouldn’t require such a complex solution.