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    Mick, I don't think the seriousness of the fires are in question, just the severity and causation (in part).
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    There are certain comments about certain politicians and their studipity that I can't make outside Current Affairs without getting banned. Natural selection seems to have failed in their cases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arapiles View Post
    It doesn't show anything of the sort - there's a natural phenomena that's not behaving as predicted. On the other hand, the changes to our climate are behaving as predicted in the models - but you don't accept the evidence of that either ...
    No they’re not, they just added another data cluster to the model. And it’s changed the outcomes yet again.

    Models evolve, and what scientists don’t know is what they’re trying to find out. What they do know is they’re struggling to get it nailed down and this new data set changes much of the model and resulted in differing outcomes.

    Climate change is also a natural and artificial phenomena.
    Just as the planets core is accelerating it is entirely plausible that the atmospheric & climatic conditions are doing the same. Add mans influence and the challenge begins.

    There is currently NO solution that is viable and will work if the world population continues to expand. The species is like Yeast - we will consume all the metaphoric Sugar (resources) and then die Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    Did you read the facts in the story before you reacted? It showed that the NSW Government authorities have INCREASED the amount of hazard reduction done by the NPWS and other departments and then exceeded their targets. That totally destroys the argument the Greens have prevented hazard reduction - its just WRONG!
    Please get some facts before you rave on.

    Personally, two families of relatives near Lismore and Coffs were forced to evacuate overnight because of big fires burning near their houses. My best friend is right now gathered with neighbours to defend their houses west of Coffs, in my home valley, while their families have moved to safety. My families past property, which they owned for a century, might burn today.
    So don't try to tell me how to feel about this - this is personal.

    I think those who play down the seriousness of these fires, particularly conservative politicians and climate deniers, are insulting the memories of the people who have died and also the people who have lost their homes or properties. They are insulting them. They should be ashamed.

    I'm pretty patient, but I've run out of patience with their selfish behavior.
    I have to admit, I am one who put blame on greenies and non hazard burning. But it turns out I was wrong. The facts are the window of opportunity for hazard reduction has reduced to such an extent very few days are suitable. Here are some more facts for our Pseudo scientists.

    Former NSW fire chief Greg Mullins put it like this:“If anyone tells you, ‘This is part of a normal cycle’ or ‘We’ve had fires like this before’, smile politely and walk away, because they don’t know what they’re talking about.”


    Facing up to those ‘big C’ words the PM can't bring himself to utter
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

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    An interesting paper. Page 11 has some tabulated facts.

    https://aic.gov.au/sites/default/fil...027_04_qld.pdf

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    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    So this is what my best friend is doing near Nana Glen today. The fire turned away from his property so he's helping a neighbor extinguish the burn on his place. We just had a phone conversation. He had some very rude things to say about the stupidity of those who deny that climate change is worsening the fire situation. When you're on the front line, your patience with those talking rubbish is limited, I guess.

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    In Natural Resource Management there is a principle that is used to management resources where there is little data.

    It is called the "Precautionary Approach" and has a specific meaning. Basically it means that until credible data is in place to manage the resource, then the "Precautionary Approach" is implemented and the resource is managed as if it is in the worst possible state. So if a species, environment or planet is being managed and data is not available to make meaningful management decisions then you must assume the worst and manage accordingly.

    So assume the worst and get data to show things are better rather than as we are with our planet assume to best until information comes to light that shows are we are worst off. With the former things can only get better, but with the latter they can only get worse and that is where we are heading.

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