Thread: Climate Change and our Land of Fire, Flood and Drought.

I heard someone say a few days ago “we don't inherit the land from our grand parents, we borrow it from our grandchildren”. Kinda changed the way i looked at whats going on.

Or as they tend to say around here in this valley with old family unused Market Gardens.

"We are only the Custodians of the land"

Originally Posted by AK83

OK, so you didn't click the link to the site I posted.
Or are you implying the BoM posts fake news(in this case data)?

Your link takes us to BoM(so I assume non fake news) .. my link takes us to BoM(and you're implying fake news).
And to be sure there's no misunderstanding here too .. my link takes you(should do) to the BoM(Bureau of Meteorology) site, specifically to the rainfall total page. If you can read the graph of historical data since 1900, YOU will see the facts you seek for confirmation.
Not my facts, facts are from the same BoM people that you implied your link shows real facts.

Isn't this a case of having your cake and eating it too? That is you believe that your BoM is posting real news, yet for some reason my link to the same BoM data is somehow fake news
If people are going to be selective about which bit of info they want to believe is real or not(even tho its from the same source) .. what hope is there for any sense of resolution. (ps. it's a rhetorical question, hence no question mark).






And LOL on Trump .. if it's anti Trump news .. it's fake news(ie. factual to us real world folks). If it's Trump ego massaging news, it's fake news(so we know it's true)

OT: Watched the SBS show last night about the Saudi's murdering that poor Khashoggi journalist. Insane story!. Khashoggi was pro Saudi(Mohammed Bin Salman) for a long time, so he was in their good books.
One day he writes one piece warning Saudis that Trump was bad news for them, Saudi's then turn violent against Khashoggi. Madness! Compelling viewing.

Guess I deserved that. I guess. It is indeed a mad world.

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Originally Posted by Disco-tastic

I've heard a couple of interesting opinions on Climate change in the past few weeks, both of which i think are logical and reasonable:

A) 90+% of climate scientists believe humans are causing irreversible change. These are the people who spend their lives studying this sort of stuff, so I would give their opinion more weight than my own, particularly when there's such a high consensus between them. If 90% of the doctors in the world agreed on your diagnosis would you argue the point? I know that we dont understand our planet in the same way we understand human bodies but I think the point of the analogy is clear.

if we do something and the climate scientists are right then we're at least on the right track. If we do something and the scientists are wrong then we have at least developed technologies that will benefit humanity. If we do nothing and the scientists are wrong then great, however if we do nothing and the scientists are right then we're screwed.

Unfortunately (or I guess fortunately for us) most of Australia wont be the ones worst affected by climate change - it will be those in developing countries who are already struggling.

I heard someone say a few days ago "we don't inherit the land from our grand parents, we borrow it from our grandchildren". Kinda changed the way i looked at whats going on.

Cheers

Dan

Fantastic post

Originally Posted by Disco-tastic

I've heard a couple of interesting opinions on Climate change in the past few weeks, both of which i think are logical and reasonable:

A) 90+% of climate scientists believe humans are causing irreversible change. These are the people who spend their lives studying this sort of stuff, so I would give their opinion more weight than my own, particularly when there's such a high consensus between them. If 90% of the doctors in the world agreed on your diagnosis would you argue the point? I know that we don't understand our planet in the same way we understand human bodies but I think the point of the analogy is clear. .....

So when 100% of the worlds doctors claim that Radium has health benefits, would you believe that too? Or would you simply accept that it's glow will also give you a healthy glow too.
I mention this under the assumption that you know the history of radium. If not, look it up.

History is flush with 'scientists' not being right. And just because they all believe it doesn't mean they are right.
They may well be spot on with their analysis for the time, but in almost every single scientific field, scientists were proven to be wrong.
How many hundreds of years did it take for doctors to be proven right in their diagnoses for illnesses?
even into the early 20th century the practise of leaching(or bloodletting) was still considered to be a cure for all manner of ills .. fever, cold or whatever.
Thousands of years of science .. gone but only after the science had reached a mature stage in it's evolution.

The climate change debate is no different to previous scientific topics in human history ... from round earth to medicine to physics .... an infinitum.

Climate science is foolish to believe they have reached a mature stage in their evolution, and could well be more destructive than any other science in history if they are not careful in how they approach their attitudes.

And the argument that those were the bad old days, and now we know better is the propaganda machine hard at work. Every day they make new discoveries in science that changes the understanding of what they've learned.
Again, my example of the magnetic field issue now cropping up. They previously knew how the magnetic field works and evolves, only to suddenly discover that what they knew about it's process was thrown out the window in only a few years.

For whatever insane reason that defies logic, too many folks seemed to have come to the opinion that climate science has never been wrong, is not wrong, and will never be wrong.
Common sense dictates that science is there to be questioned. 100%. Once we stop questioning the science it's no longer science .. it's a religion(or a belief system).
A belief system(like a religion) is something you believe to be true without questioning it.
The issue here is not the science, or the topic, it's us. We're too emotional to disseminate fact from fiction. Human emotions seem to dictate how the facts are to be interpreted when it comes to climate change.

Originally Posted by Disco-tastic

I've heard a couple of interesting opinions on Climate change in the past few weeks, both of which i think are logical and reasonable:

A) 90+% of climate scientists believe humans are causing irreversible change. These are the people who spend their lives studying this sort of stuff, so I would give their opinion more weight than my own, particularly when there's such a high consensus between them. If 90% of the doctors in the world agreed on your diagnosis would you argue the point? I know that we dont understand our planet in the same way we understand human bodies but I think the point of the analogy is clear.

if we do something and the climate scientists are right then we're at least on the right track. If we do something and the scientists are wrong then we have at least developed technologies that will benefit humanity. If we do nothing and the scientists are wrong then great, however if we do nothing and the scientists are right then we're screwed.

Unfortunately (or I guess fortunately for us) most of Australia wont be the ones worst affected by climate change - it will be those in developing countries who are already struggling.

I heard someone say a few days ago "we don't inherit the land from our grand parents, we borrow it from our grandchildren". Kinda changed the way i looked at whats going on.

Cheers

Dan

Thursday we visited our daughter in hospital, where she delivered our second grand child, a boy. That quote hits right at the heart of the matter. The fact that people are discussing this in such a way gives me a degree of hope. Although I think this little fellows generation have to be the smartest, to fix up the mess they've been left. Thank you for posting.

Originally Posted by AK83

So when 100% of the worlds doctors claim that Radium has health benefits, would you believe that too? Or would you simply accept that it's glow will also give you a healthy glow too.
I mention this under the assumption that you know the history of radium. If not, look it up.

History is flush with 'scientists' not being right. And just because they all believe it doesn't mean they are right.
They may well be spot on with their analysis for the time, but in almost every single scientific field, scientists were proven to be wrong.
How many hundreds of years did it take for doctors to be proven right in their diagnoses for illnesses?
even into the early 20th century the practise of leaching(or bloodletting) was still considered to be a cure for all manner of ills .. fever, cold or whatever.
Thousands of years of science .. gone but only after the science had reached a mature stage in it's evolution.

The climate change debate is no different to previous scientific topics in human history ... from round earth to medicine to physics .... an infinitum.

Climate science is foolish to believe they have reached a mature stage in their evolution, and could well be more destructive than any other science in history if they are not careful in how they approach their attitudes.

And the argument that those were the bad old days, and now we know better is the propaganda machine hard at work. Every day they make new discoveries in science that changes the understanding of what they've learned.
Again, my example of the magnetic field issue now cropping up. They previously knew how the magnetic field works and evolves, only to suddenly discover that what they knew about it's process was thrown out the window in only a few years.

For whatever insane reason that defies logic, too many folks seemed to have come to the opinion that climate science has never been wrong, is not wrong, and will never be wrong.
Common sense dictates that science is there to be questioned. 100%. Once we stop questioning the science it's no longer science .. it's a religion(or a belief system).
A belief system(like a religion) is something you believe to be true without questioning it.
The issue here is not the science, or the topic, it's us. We're too emotional to disseminate fact from fiction. Human emotions seem to dictate how the facts are to be interpreted when it comes to climate change.

It's not difficult to believe. Let yourself go, it's just one big foot after the other. Don't join the old men on the hill.

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Originally Posted by AK83

So when 100% of the worlds doctors claim that Radium has health benefits, would you believe that too? Or would you simply accept that it's glow will also give you a healthy glow too.
I mention this under the assumption that you know the history of radium. If not, look it up.

History is flush with 'scientists' not being right. And just because they all believe it doesn't mean they are right.

Comparing "science" of 100 years ago and peer reviewed science of today is very unscientific.

Peer reviewed science of today is not about belief.

WATER. The elephant in the room no one wants to talk about. During World water week 2018 a number of points were made. I can't think of any that were taken up by Australia.


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