Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

No. As JDNSW has said above, the 'rest of the world' as you call it, is only just beginning to live with Covid19 because more than 50% of their populations are vaccinated EG: USA / UK, but they are still seeing high infection and death rates. Vaccinations don't necessarily prevent you from getting Covid19, but they are largely preventing people from becoming so unwell they need to be hospitalised. EG: UK infections are rising, BUT hospitalisations have dropped to relatively low numbers.

Only when Australia reaches more than 50% fully vaccinated (2 doses) can 'living with it' even begin to be considered.

The actual 'rest of the world' including, India, Brazil, most of Africa, etc, are not living with it, they are dying with it - due to low numbers of vaccination. Anyone who thinks Australia should 'live with it' now is asking for the same outcome as these un-vaccinated countries.

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yes the US.UK are at 50% rate. rest of the world, about 25% have had 1 dose. so your reasoning for opening up doesnt add up.

ive got no issues with the vaccine preventing hospitalisations, its the transmission part

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Originally Posted by Slunnie

Doesn't seem to be working like that overseas.

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course not. they tried to delay it, and all they have done is drawn it out.

i posted a timeline early on in this thread. cant remeber what i worked out but im pretty sure it would of run its course by june 2021

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Originally Posted by Eevo

as its been said from the start, quickest way though this is to let it run its natural course.

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IF you truly believe that then why did you bother to get vaccinated[bigwhistle]

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Originally Posted by 101RRS

Who knows what a hospital stay will cost - but if you are a public patient then cost is covered by medicare.

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All good for most but, if someone consciously refuses the vaccine without an approved reason, any medical costs, above and beyond their Medicare contributions, should be at their own cost.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

course not. they tried to delay it, and all they have done is drawn it out.

i posted a timeline early on in this thread. cant remeber what i worked out but im pretty sure it would of run its course by june 2021

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No chance.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

as its been said from the start, quickest way though this is to let it run its natural course.

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I know it has been said from the start - by people who do not know what they are talking about.

"Running its course", for this disease, with an R0 of 3-6, an incubation period of 1-2 weeks, hospitalisation rate of around 10%, with around 10% of those in ICU, and a 10% of them on ventilators and an average hospital stay before discharge or death of 2-4 weeks and a case fatality rate of 3% means the collapse of the country's medical system, a massive increase in deaths, a really major recession, and very likely political collapse. And it will drag on much, much, longer, partly because far more damage will be done, and partly because allowing large infection populations allows variants to evolve - and one of the major selection pressures is infectivity, so we find that the Delta variant is about twice as infectious (R0 doubled) as the original strain.

No country in the world has actually let it "run its course" except perhaps North Korea (and who knows what is really going on there). Some countries have tried to deny its impact while doing a bit of token action - you can identify them by the high death rates and economic problems.

This is exactly the same as the last really major pandemic in 1918-1921, with the notable difference that this one spread much faster due to better communications, and we have several very effective vaccines that are going to see those countries that behave sensibly come out of it in a lot better shape than a century ago.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

IF you truly believe that then why did you bother to get vaccinated[bigwhistle]

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part of my job.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

and very likely political collapse.

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edit: too harsh on review.

A tale of two States.;

Zero cases, but another week of masks as we wait for one person to be happy (inqld.com.au)

New lockdown rules in NSW;

Sydney in limbo: Premier's admission about lockdown length (thenewdaily.com.au)