Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by Eevo

exactly. it still spreads. meaning new cases and continued lockdown inline with current policy.
the alternative is to do what the rest of the world has done and live with it.

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If vaccinated you can still get infected and test positive, but the symptoms are significantly reduced. Though not fully confirmed, the risks of long covid complications are also significantly reduced.

So when we get to the stage that everyone has been OFFERED a vaccine, then we can move to a phase where virus can be allowed in the community. Those that are vaccinated will be not become ill from it, and those that choose not to get vaccinated can live with that risk of illness.

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Originally Posted by cjc_td5

those that choose not to get vaccinated can live with that risk of illness.

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..............and have to pay, out of their own pockets, for any related, medical treatment.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Why is it that people play the "Race Card" as a defence when they are found to be behaving badly, EVERY ethnicity has its fair share of dickheads and screaming "Racisim" won't change that.

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I've not mentioned race, there are many factors that could contribute to the situation from differing cultural norms among community groups (of any race) to socio econonmic drivers such as casual employment.

Regards,
Tote

Breaking news- ZERO cases in Qld overnight. I'm not going to get too excited , because we know how dangerous this delta variant is. Luckily for us most of the cases were of the Alpha variant , with delta coming off passengers/ flight crew of interstate flights for the main part. Short sharp lockdowns , with proper contact tracing , and a public that does the right thing, that is the short term answer to the virus. The long term? vaccinate, vaccinate ,vaccinate. There may be no " herd immunity " until 95 % of us are vaccinated.

EDIT QLD's CMO says we can not relax yet. Good advice.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

exactly. it still spreads. meaning new cases and continued lockdown inline with current policy.
the alternative is to do what the rest of the world has done and live with it.

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Are you advocating living with the virus or living with the epidemic? There is an enormous difference.

JD has explained (several times) about the significance of infection rates. While it is above 1, it can very quickly get to the point where medical services cannot cope.

There are a lot of diseases that circulate in the community and we have been living with some of them for generations.

If we just "let it rip" now, we will be faced with exponential growth of cases, hospitalisations and deaths. If we get things under control through vaccinations and/or effective treatments we should be able to manage with just the occasional case in the same way that we have the occasional case of some other illnesses.

It is too soon to just live with it.

EDIT. I probably should have written "describing" rather than "advocating".

NSW on the verge. 44 cases, 29 out in the community while infectious, one 20 year old in ICU on a ventilator, The NSW Premier outlines more stringent restrictions for residents. This sounds like it's getting very serious, and there even seems like a bit of panic in the air. I hope I'm wrong. Living with the virus has been called out for the insane idea it is, especially with a population only 9% vaccinated.

Edit, Bob pretty much said it....

Regards,
Tote

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Originally Posted by Tote

Edit, Bob pretty much said it....

Regards,
Tote

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Tote, no one wanted to see this. I hope it's not out of control as it sounds, and you take care.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

exactly. it still spreads. meaning new cases and continued lockdown inline with current policy.
the alternative is to do what the rest of the world has done and live with it.

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No, you are still not following it. Yes, it still spreads, but providing enough people are vaccinated, the disease spreads at a decreasing rate so that the pandemic disappears, with pockets of infection remaining where vaccination rates are lower, same as happens for existing vaccination controlled diseases such as measles, smallpox and many others.

By "do what the rest of the world has done and live with it" are you referring to countries like USA with nearly 20,000 new cases and 261 deaths yesterday? Or perhaps Brazil with 53,000 new cases and 1733 deaths yesterday? Or perhaps Japan, which has just locked down Tokyo for the Olympics with only just over 2,000 new cases and less than 20 deaths yesterday? Or closer to home, Indonesia with 38,000 new cases and over 800 deaths yesterday, and with Jakarta running out of room in cemeteries?

The NSW Premier said " We do not have the option of living with this, we have to quash the community transmission. Because if we don't we will see thousands and thousands in hospital, and lots of people, thousands of people, potentially , dying." Good enough reason to do the right thing you would think.


New restrictions as NSW records 44 new locally acquired COVID-19 infections (msn.com)