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So here’s an interesting choice - increased policing which is apparently racist and unhelpful to keep people locked in their homes Covid crackdown in Sydney’s southwest labelled racist amid major police operation
Or follow the current proposal being discussed and focus on vaccination
Both are pretty ordinary choices but the sections of the media who have been saying that the nsw lockdown isn’t hard enough appear to have got their wish
Regards
Tote
No, you are still not following how it works. From a public health perspective, vaccination of an individual does not have to 100% prevent a patient from being infected and passing on the infection. There are two public health results from vaccination.Quote:
Originally Posted by 101RRS
The first is that it reduces both the probability of infection and reduces the severity of the illness if infected. This both reduces the load on the health system directly because they probably will not need hospital treatment and reduces the probability of the infected vaccinated patient infecting others because the vaccinated patient sheds less virus.
The second result is that if, as is documented by data, the vaccination reduces the probability of infection by 80% (to take a typical figure for covid vaccines - actually 60-95%), this means that of the average 5 people infected by each patient, if the contact is vaccinated, only one of those five will be infected.
It does not need 100% immunity from a vaccine to kill the pandemic. As long as the vaccine has a sufficiently high effectiveness and a sufficient proportion of the population is vaccinated, it will work. The higher the R0 is, the higher these needs to be.
And the same applies to all vaccines - some are so effective that they are assumed to provide total immunity, but I am not aware of any where this can be shown to be the case.
exactly. it still spreads. meaning new cases and continued lockdown inline with current policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDNSW
the alternative is to do what the rest of the world has done and live with it.
I was thinking about the time Victoria was locking down entire public housing blocks due to a fear of non compliance, at the same time there was an ongoing inability to control spread in some suburbs that may have been culturally influenced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arapiles
Victoria has had so many lockdowns I forget which is which.
Regards,
Tote
One in 10 covid cases are now in hospital, 11 in ICU, 3 ventilated. Can we get away from the State bashing and just admit NSW made a mistake, and now get on and fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tote
One in 10 COVID patients in hospital as system plans for surge (msn.com)
Breaking news from the N.Y. Times.
The delta variant of the coronavirus can evade antibodies that target certain parts of the virus. The findings explain the diminished effectiveness of vaccines used against delta, as compared to other variants. Delta is considered 60% more infectious than Alpha, and twice as contagious than the original coronavirus,[ that's in one year, imagine the variants in 12 months time if we don't get " herd immunity" by then.] The delta variant is now driving outbreaks among unvaccinated populations in Malaysia, Portugal , Indonesia , and ....Australia.
Here's the kicker. Blood samples from just 10% of people immunized with one dose of AstraZeneca & Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines were able to neutralise the Delta and Beta variants in laboratory experiments.
But a second dose boosted that number to 95%. There was no major difference in the levels of antibodies elicited by the two vaccines.
Study Details How Delta Variant Dodges Immune System - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
I wasn't state bashing, I was called out for clarification on when Victoria had non compliance issues and I would surmise that that would be when they locked down the housing towers. I am interested in debating why it is that Sydney can successfully control a Delta outbreak in the Eastern suburbs yet when it moves west it is seemingly getting out of control. It certainly isn't because they locked down too late because the western suburbs outbreaks didn't exist two weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob10
It could conceivably be because retail is more open than some would like but the Premier has stated that transmission is being caused by family members visiting one another when they are supposed to be staying home.
So do you have a solution other than the measures that have alrady been taken i.e. 100 more police enforcing lockdowns? Your link is correct, if the population is unvaccinated, there will be a rise in hospitalisation this is because we refuse to use a vaccine that is perfectly acceptable in the UK because of a 1 in a million chance of getting fatal blood clots. Maybe if people are faced with death as a consequence of not accepting a vaccination they will go and get it?
Regards,
Tote
If NSW had locked down hard and fast, like QLD did, it's a very good chance the virus would have been contained in the Eastern suburbs. That's a real lock down, not a claytons one. How many times must it be said the primary reason for low vaccination numbers is lack of vaccines. I'm in the 1b cohort , and only just yesterday was able to have my 2nd jab, the reason? The vaccination centre { a medical centre] was only getting enough AZ for about 100 per week. When supply could not be guaranteed, the decision was made for some AZ be held back for essential workers and 2nd jabs. There was no movement in vaccination supply until the QLD Premier and CMO stood up and made themselves a target , calling out the supply fiasco. I'll leave it at that. Let's just get on and fix NSW, leave the politics to the politicians. And for goodness sake, stop blaming aged care workers and now I see, NDIS carers for the low vaccination rates . I must say one more thing. How do you think this virus works? And , only because you asked, the reason the western suburbs are just now showing infections isQuote:
Originally Posted by Tote
1 The failure to lock down the initial outbreak properly, and allowing the Sydney residents to wander all over Sydney spreading infection.
2 the gestation [ if that is the right word] period for the virus, from point of contact to infection symptoms.
If I lived in regional centres close to Sydney, I would be very concerned right now, if the stories about groups of Sydneysiders being allowed to travel to the regions, while supposed to be in lock down, are true.
Going back to dot point 1, all you have to do is read this;
COVID NSW: Sydneysiders are like a pack of teens taking advantage of Glad’s ‘cool mum’ parenting (smh.com.au)
Why is it that people play the "Race Card" as a defence when they are found to be behaving badly, EVERY ethnicity has its fair share of dickheads and screaming "Racisim" won't change that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tote
The SW Sydney situation is similar to the towers in Melbourne and the various cultural groups in the SE suburbs during Vics lockdowns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tote
Many people residing in those places worked multiple jobs at multiple sites, children minded by extended family members at other sites.
A recipe for rapid spread, compounded by language difficulties since free English lessons for migrants ceased a while ago.
DL