Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick;[URL="tel:3096362"

3096362[/URL]]Moving house is an approved activity in every state. Removalists are defined as an essential industry. That's not in doubt. But Vic rules required them to wear masks while loading and unloading.

Gladys refuses to define who is an essential worker.

Compare with Victoria which announced a five day lockdown tonight with the same list of essential industries as used previously.

Dan Andrews: 'If you're on the list, you can go to work. If you're not on the list, you can't go to work.'

Statement From The Premier | Premier of Victoria

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Yes stark difference. Which is the gold standard state?

…But the problem remains that the covid wage subsidy is not JobKeeper. So lots of staff will lose their jobs in both states.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Moving house is an approved activity in every state. Removalists are defined as an essential industry. That's not in doubt. But Vic rules required them to wear masks while loading and unloading.

Gladys refuses to define who is an essential worker.

Compare with Victoria which announced a five day lockdown tonight with the same list of essential industries as used previously.

Dan Andrews: 'If you're on the list, you can go to work. If you're not on the list, you can't go to work.'

Statement From The Premier | Premier of Victoria

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All that proves is Victorians like to be told what to do. If removalists are essential in all states then the list of essential workers is irrelevant to the spread of covid to Victoria. The fact the idiots didn't wear their masks should entitle them to big fines and civil liability though.

Regards,
Tote

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Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

I agree that not wearing masks on the job is unforgivable. However they might have been sacked or not paid if they were casuals and didn't complete their job. Also the definition of what is essential work had not been made clear.

The rules only work when when those abiding by them aren't afraid of losing their livelihood. This is the biggest problem with the current NSW lockdown. The current Covid emergency payments are not JobKeeper, therefore bosses have no incentive to casual keep staff on.

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Originally Posted by Roverlord off road spares

But in Vic you have to wear a mask and they should know this, we have couriers and Aust post come to our place and they all wear masks. Sorry but there is no excuse not wearing masks. Heather

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Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

Hi Heather, perhaps re-read the first sentence in my previous post. Cheers

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Ted are you alleging their employer would've sacked them if they wore a mask or took a detour to buy masks?

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Originally Posted by Tote

All that proves is Victorians like to be told what to do. If removalists are essential in all states then the list of essential workers is irrelevant to the spread of covid to Victoria. The fact the idiots didn't wear their masks should entitle them to big fines and civil liability though.

Regards,
Tote

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So people doing voluntary, light exercise are exempt from wearing masks, but workmen humping heavy furniture must wear masks!
What a ridiculous, double standard. It's totally impractical to wear a mask while performing heavy, manual work.

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

So people doing voluntary, light exercise are exempt from wearing masks, but workmen humping heavy furniture must wear masks!
What a ridiculous, double standard. It's totally impractical to wear a mask while performing heavy, manual work.

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Yes that is a double standard but I’ve been doing it for a year now - you get used to it. I don’t find a mask interferes with my breathing at all - even when I’m sweating my arse off on the tools - Have done plenty of full on physical days while wearing a mask down here. I think most Melbournians have got pretty used to them to be honest.

If they’d followed the rules we wouldn’t be ****ing and moaning about all this now but they didn’t so we all suffer. They should be fined and sued IMO.

Or this option could also work - https://mobile.twitter.com/ro_smith/...76476727517184

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Originally Posted by RANDLOVER;[URL="tel:3096367"

3096367[/URL]]Ted are you alleging their employer would've sacked them if they wore a mask or took a detour to buy masks?

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Of course not. To clarify, two separate issues.

1. They should have been wearing masks. No question. They did the wrong thing.

2. But if they’d ‘stayed home’ altogether they might have lost their jobs because the new disaster payment doesn’t tie people to their jobs like JobKeeper did. That’s the problem.
As DiscoMick has clarified they are essential workers, so perhaps not an issue.

I find wearing a mask inhibits my breathing, just walking through a shopping centre, it also fogs up my glasses.

Stuck in Paradise [biggrin]

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I only know what I've read, with people saying the removalist company was very uncooperative with the contract tracers. The 3 blokes also seemed to be under pressure, did Sydney- Melbourne- Adelaide- Sydney in two days, and slept in their trucks. I also read their English was poor.
So putting all that together I can imagine 3 blokes, maybe casuals who really needed the work, had a demanding boss, maybe didn't understand the whole Covid rules thing, were very afraid when questioned by contact tracers from two states, feared copping big police fines, and just thought it was safest to clam up.
Yes, they should have worn masks, even if they're uncomfortable, but maybe they're also victims here.
Just trying to see it from the other side.

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Originally Posted by SpudHeadTed

Of course not. To clarify, two separate issues.

1. They should have been wearing masks. No question. They did the wrong thing.

2. But if they’d ‘stayed home’ altogether they might have lost their jobs because the new disaster payment doesn’t tie people to their jobs like JobKeeper did. That’s the problem.
As DiscoMick has clarified they are essential workers, so perhaps not an issue.

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