Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by ChookD2

So "no jab, no life", what will happen to those individuals that cannot have any vaccine for whatever medical reason?

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Anti-vaxxers like to pose this question but the truth is that there are very few people with medical conditions that absolutely preclude vaccination - so the issue will rarely come up:


Who can be immunised? | Australian Government Department of Health

"Most people can be immunised, except for people with certain medical conditions and people who are severely allergic (anaphylactic) to vaccine ingredients."
"The only people who cannot ever be immunised are people who have had severe allergic reactions (anaphylaxis) to vaccines ingredients which is rare.
In general, people that should not receive live vaccines include:

• people who are significantly immunocompromised , for example people undergoing a treatment that suppresses the immune system, such as chemotherapy
• pregnant women."

FYI, my wife is immunocompromised but her specialist approved her getting vaccinated, so she has been. If she can be vaccinated, pretty much anyone can be.

Edit: In other words, the basic premise of this argument by anti-vaxxers is a straw horse.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

How is that socialist?

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caste based oppression aka class struggle leads to socialism?

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Originally Posted by ChookD2

So what everyone seems to be proposing here is a multi level society. Let's say 3 levels.

The first level, which currently exists, contains the ultra-wealthy and politicians. Those the that don't give a **** about anyone and have total disregard for rules and laws.

The rest of the population will be split between the vaxed, with a number of privileges and freedoms, and the unvaxed who will only be able collect garbage and stay at home.

Maybe we could add more levels like the caste system in India. You know, those that have been fully vaccinated, those that have had boosters, those that have been partially vaccinated and of course those that can't be vaxed or refuse. Each level would have varying degrees of freedom from none to knock your socks off.



What has happened to humanity?

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Don’t forget the bottom tier - anti-Vaxers and the sovereign citizens.

Another mob of people who don’t give a **** about others or for rules and laws…

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Originally Posted by Eevo

caste based oppression aka class struggle leads to socialism?

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Sounds like the conditions in which socialism would arise, in which case it's presumably a capitalistic state.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Don’t forget the bottom tier - anti-Vaxers and the sovereign citizens.

Another mob of people who don’t give a **** about others or for rules and laws…

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no, cyclists are still bottom tier for the above reasons.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Sounds like the conditions in which socialism would arise, in which case it's presumably a capitalistic state.

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not necessarily, ever been to china?

[/QUOTE] no, cyclists are still bottom tier for the above reasons.[/QUOTE]


I thought that it was motorists who didn't care about others or for rules and laws?

About two years ago a motorist came under a railway boom gate when I was crossing on a green light and literally missed me by mms - I had to go back to comfort a woman driving a car who was waiting at the lights and was in shock - she was sure that I was going to be killed ...


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Originally Posted by Eevo

not necessarily, ever been to china?

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Yep, I've worked there - ask me about socialism with Chinese characteristics.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Yep, I've worked there - ask me about socialism with Chinese characteristics.

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chinese characteristics, i like the way you put that.

actually, you just made me think of something. this vaccine passport/Australia card has similarities with the Social Credit System used in china

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Originally Posted by Eevo

chinese characteristics, i like the way you put that.

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That's actually their official description of their system:

Socialism with Chinese characteristics - Wikipedia

The cynical amongst us refer to it as monopoly capitalism.