Thread: Corona Virus

This is not confirmed but the speculation has been rife since this began.

Coronavirus: Crematorium data prove China was lying about COVID-19

Speculation has also ebbed and flowed as to 'how come?' the virus spread so fast and so w i d e in such a shrt time...

With jobs in the balance, plus national debt, now would be a good time to re-visit the old fashioned idea of making / manufacturing more products IN Australia. - Remember when we not only built our own washing machines and fridges, but electrical cable, electronic components, and even nuts and bolts ? Even dunnies Remeber those? - the ones with a better surface....
And the most sought-after Tool-making Steel in the world was made in..... South Australia.

Originally Posted by ChookD2

This is not confirmed but the speculation has been rife since this began.

Coronavirus: Crematorium data prove China was lying about COVID-19

Given that a Lancet article on February the 4th from epidemiologists based in Hong Kong estimated that there were actually 75,815 cases in Wuhan on 25 January, the figures in the article are not unreasonable:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...260-9/fulltext

"In our baseline scenario, we estimated that the basic reproductive number for 2019-nCoV was 2·68 (95% CrI 2·47–2·86) and that 75 815 individuals (95% CrI 37 304–130 330) have been infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, 2020. The epidemic doubling time was 6·4 days (95% CrI 5·8–7·1). We estimated that in the baseline scenario, Chongqing, Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen had imported 461 (95% CrI 227–805), 113 (57–193), 98 (49–168), 111 (56–191), and 80 (40–139) infections from Wuhan, respectively. If the transmissibility of 2019-nCoV were similar everywhere domestically and over time, we inferred that epidemics are already growing exponentially in multiple major cities of China with a lag time behind the Wuhan outbreak of about 1–2 weeks."

Chongquing has a population of 30.48 million, Beijing is 21.54 million, Shanghai is 24.38 million, Guangzhou is 14.9 million and Shenzhen is 12.9 million - but those are just the official figures and don't take into account the unofficial populations or that a lot of those cities are parts of larger conurbations. So, lots of space for a virus to spread.

And then there was this prediction in the Lancet article:

"As such, given the substantial volume of case importation from Wuhan (figure 3), local epidemics are probably already growing exponentially in multiple major Chinese cities. Given that Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Shenzhen together accounted for more than 50% of all outbound international air travel in mainland China, other countries would likely be at risk of experiencing 2019-nCoV epidemics during the first half of 2020."

So, yes, there wasn't much point asking people if they'd been to Wuhan .....

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

Why are we allowing possibly infected passengers to travel here THEN quarantining them once they are here?

Why not total medical clearance before they can catch an aeroplane to Australia?

It would be cheaper in the long run to test all travellers to Australia properly before they can travel than it is to quarantine them.

If they don't have a completely fresh certificate of health they don't travel. Fair enough isn't it?

This current government is prepared to spend more money stopping asylum seekers travelling by boat (not by air , mind you) than they are to totally stop covid19 infected passengers arriving by air.

Because the are citizens and residents, why shouldn't they be allowed home?

And red90 answered the rest of that nicely

That they may be Rick, but they can still carry the virus back & so away we go again & again ad nauseum & in 20 or 30 years time some bright spark will suggest that they have a clean bill of health, carried out to Australian Standards in an authorised location BEFORE being set free in Oz.

"Oh dear Bellamy we should have done this in 2020 what a great idea."


If they are as you describe them shirley it would be in their interests as well. Not unless they are selfish inconsiderate bastards of the "Me First Brigade".

I seem to remember an island in Sydney - perhaps worth bringing it back online

Originally Posted by 4bee

Wyatt Earp aka Hugh O'Brien snuffed it yesterday aged 91.

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Not yesterday, but quite recently.

O'Brian died at his home in Beverly Hills, California, on September 5, 2016, at the age of 91

Originally Posted by Tombie

I seem to remember an island in Sydney - perhaps worth bringing it back online

I suspect you are thinking of North Head quarantine station. Not exactly an island, but accessible only by water.