Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by 4bee

Why am I beginning to think that a classroom of Kindergarten kids could do much better?[bighmmm]

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Let me know what you think of these 'numbers' - Puts Sweden in perspective.

COVID – why terminology really, really matters | Dr. Malcolm Kendrick

The new Queensland border signs

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Originally Posted by rick130

Border closures are like Law and Order pronouncements before an election.
Play the fear card, gain votes.

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That's what the Libs tried in Victoria with the African gangs thing - and it really backfired on them. Turns out that not only was no-one buying it, their own supporters hated it - they nearly lost Brighton to a Labor candidate who was still at uni.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Qld is open to everywhere except NSW, Vic and the ACT. Planes are flying in every day. 900 NSW people were accepted into Qld for medical treatment last week. The Qld economy is doing well, except for international tourists.
AnastaciaP and Dr Young say they want to see NSW and Vic get their acts together with 2 x 14 days of zero community transmission in NSW and Vic before relaxing border restrictions.
So, really, the answer is simple. NSW and Vic have to suppress the virus and keep it suppressed. Stop blaming Qld, WA or the other states and territories. Just get the job done!

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To be really, really clear about this - this thing is simply not the fault of the average Melburnian or Victorian. It was due to a stuff-up by the bureaucrats, not the average local here.

So, unsurprisingly, a lot of Victorians are quietly but seriously ****ed off at the States like NSW, Qld and WA for the parochialism, making political capital out of our hardship and the sheer nastiness being thrown around - so much for "we're all Aussies in this together". Seriously - the premiers of NSW, Qld, SA and WA have set off a process that could mark the beginning of the unwinding of the Australian federation.

And the Russians will be ****ing themselves as yet another Western democracy disintegrates.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

To be really, really clear about this - this thing is simply not the fault of the average Melburnian or Victorian. It was due to a stuff-up by the bureaucrats, not the average local here.

So, unsurprisingly, a lot of Victorians are quietly but seriously ****ed off at the States like NSW, Qld and WA for the parochialism, making political capital out of our hardship and the sheer nastiness being thrown around - so much for "we're all Aussies in this together". Seriously - the premiers of NSW, Qld, SA and WA have set off a process that could mark the beginning of the unwinding of the Australian federation.

And the Russians will be ****ing themselves as yet another Western democracy disintegrates.

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WA has NO border communities or shared health provider problems like the Eastern States have So how is the closed border adversely affecting your average Victorian ??
BTW Victorians voted for their State government (bureaucrats) nobody from NSW, QLD or WA did so you can't blame anyone else for the government that Victorians chose to run their State.
The WA border closure is NOT a political ploy at all it is a HEALTH precaution that is WORKING very well so why would WA want to jeopardise the health and welfare of the people of the State by opening up the border prematurely.
The WA border closure is a TEMPERARY measure and when it is deemed safe to do so the border Will be reopened, There is absolutely NO threat or intent to damage the Australian Federation whatsoever.

Well ScoMo is talking up a trans-tasman bubble.

Coronavirus: Australian PM open to New Zealanders visiting parts of Australia | Stuff.co.nz

To quote..... 'Morrison explained that, "if there's no Covid in Christchurch, and there's no Covid in Queensland, then there's no reason both of them can't come to Sydney."

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Originally Posted by superquag

Let me know what you think of these 'numbers' - Puts Sweden in perspective.

COVID – why terminology really, really matters | Dr. Malcolm Kendrick

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No, it does not put Sweden in perspective. Even if his manipulation of the terminology is ignored, what he is ignoring in saying it is no worse than flu is are two factors - one is that it is much more infectious than flu (R0 around 3-7 compared to flu around 1.5), meaning that even if the effects were no worse, it would spread to a far larger proportion of the population, much faster, and need a far larger proportion to acquire immunity than does flu. And result in far more deaths. And the more rapid spread would swamp healthcare facilities if unchecked.

The second is that this is an unknown disease (although we are learning), so we do not know what the long term effects are. Death/survival is not a simple dichotomy. Already we are seeing people who have not fully recovered in six months. We have no idea what they will be like in five years, let alone twenty.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The Qld economy is doing well, except for international tourists.e!

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The Qld economy is way,way behind what it was pre COVID.

And that’s taking international tourists and tourism,out of the equation.

Anyone that thinks different has no idea what’s going on.

Keeping the borders closed has increased the problem.

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

Already we are seeing people who have not fully recovered in six months. We have no idea what they will be like in five years, let alone twenty.

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same can be said about mental health but noone gives a toss about that.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

WA has NO border communities or shared health provider problems like the Eastern States have So how is the closed border adversely affecting your average Victorian ??
BTW Victorians voted for their State government (bureaucrats) nobody from NSW, QLD or WA did so you can't blame anyone else for the government that Victorians chose to run their State.
The WA border closure is NOT a political ploy at all it is a HEALTH precaution that is WORKING very well so why would WA want to jeopardise the health and welfare of the people of the State by opening up the border prematurely.
The WA border closure is a TEMPERARY measure and when it is deemed safe to do so the border Will be reopened, There is absolutely NO threat or intent to damage the Australian Federation whatsoever.

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Really does not feel any different with our borders closed then it normally does with our borders open [bigwhistle] , the east coast is still way over there and WA is still way over here . I think WA got it rite at the start of this Virus with the Regional Lockdowns dividing WA op into 13 Regions with each internal regional boarder patrolled by the Military & Police , felt like bieng in Siberia at times .