Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by Eevo

some interesting reading

Coronavirus Sweden: Jury out on nation’s COVID strategy

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No, the jury's response is pretty clear: same economic effect and 10 times the deaths = fail.

Oh, and concentrating the deaths amongst elderly migrants, in a country that's long lectured the rest of the world about morality and human rights, simply marks them as racist hypocrites.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

AND, as it turns out, contrary to what has been asserted for the last month or so, it WASN"T the private security guards who caused the outbreak - it was a night manager at the hotel. who was patient zero. So, military or police assisting or not, wasn't the issue. And it was then a failure of the DHHS to manage infection within the hotel once they knew of the infection which led to the security guards being infected and then infecting their families. How infected guards were allowed to spread it to their families is a key question:

Coronavirus Victoria: Patient zero for Victoria'''s second wave was not a security guard

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I love our defense forces and yet can add we at times do things well outside our job description[biggrin]. Not at all certain that Navy, Army or Airforce staff would have seen a entirely different outcome with out other items such as compulsory testing of everyone in the Hotels.

During the bicentenary I was wandering around the rock in Sydney for example with Sword often held to tourist throats for photos[bigwhistle] A 12 other sailors with muskets dressed in 200 year old Navy uniforms were not expert actors [biggrin]. Bush fire support at two sites I helped at saw the odd order or two from Navy Officers trying but out of there field of expertise. It seemed odd to a farm boy like me[biggrin] over a beer late that Office agreed and happily no one died. He agreed we should have put CFA VIC or RFS NSW directly in charge of the navy Volunteer fire fighters[thumbsupbig]

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Originally Posted by NavyDiver

I love our defense forces and yet can add we at times do things well outside our job description[biggrin]. Not at all certain that Navy, Army or Airforce staff would have seen a entirely different outcome with out other items such as compulsory testing of everyone in the Hotels.

During the bicentenary I was wandering around the rock in Sydney for example with Sword often held to tourist throats for photos[bigwhistle] A 12 other sailors with muskets dressed in 200 year old Navy uniforms were not expert actors [biggrin]. Bush fire support at two sites I helped at saw the odd order or two from Navy Officers trying but out of there field of expertise. It seemed odd to a farm boy like me[biggrin] over a beer late that Office agreed and happily no one died. He agreed we should have put CFA VIC or RFS NSW directly in charge of the navy Volunteer fire fighters[thumbsupbig]

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If extra hands are needed for a particular job then the military are a useful source, but I remember wondering why they'd be better at guarding quarantined travellers than, say, police or prison guards.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

No, the jury's response is pretty clear: same economic effect and 10 times the deaths = fail.

Oh, and concentrating the deaths amongst elderly migrants, in a country that's long lectured the rest of the world about morality and human rights, simply marks them as racist hypocrites.

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i see you didnt read the article.

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Originally Posted by Tote

Um......

I think I was told to stop spouting drivel, accused of being deluded and desperately manufacturing scenarios to suit my own agenda and then told that I was irrelevant in another thread. That sounds a bit like a bagging to me. [bigwhistle]

Regards,
Tote

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Yep, me too. You'll get over it.

THAT hotel quarantine rumour. The rumour about guards having sex could be just that, a rumour. A media driven storm that muddies the water as to what actually did happen. Questions must be answered , for sure.
The bottom line is;

"Professor emeritus Gerry Fitzgerald, a public health expert at the Queensland University of Technology and a former chief health officer said the bottom line is that COVID-19 is highly infectious and excruciatingly hard to control."




Quarantine hotel sex: The unconfirmed rumour and its consequences

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Originally Posted by 4bee

Nothing like a touch of confusion. I understand what I am on about. No need to turn up your thermostat just for my benefit Bob. I'm me, & shall ever remain so.

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I've noticed that. More English than Alf Garnett. Every ones eccentric uncle, meant in a good way. Don't ever change.

The problem is that the Hotel that the Hotel employee was in and the Hotel that the security guard was in that is believed to have caused the outbreak are different hotels - there is no evidence to dispute the stories about the security guard it is just that it is now clear a little earlier the employee in the other hotel had also become infected - so there would seem to be two unrelated sources, starting with the hotel employee and a little later the other hotel security staff and their rudy doos.

I live in a small rural village and the effect of Stage 3 Restrictions on locals is not really noticeable. Apart from a couple of small businesses being affected normal small town rural life is very similar to Stage 3......for locals. A traffic jam is 2 cars at an intersection simultaneously and no trouble in finding a car park.

Then why is it difficult now to get a car park in the shopping centre. The super market is very busy and the footpath is busy. Yet, as I look around I do not recognize the people. Small town life means you mostly know or at least recognize most other locals.

Just for laughs and giggles I did a walk up and down the main street but on the road. I was looking at the car stickers on the back windows advertising which car dealer sold the car to its current owner. Well...the humour soon left me. The majority of cars were from Melbourne car dealers with a smattering of Victorian rural city car dealers.

Why are they here? Why are they traveling away from home? Are they Covid vectors?

Like many other small rural communities tourists are tolerated but that is all. If we, along with the rest of rural Victoria and through no fault of our own have Stage 4 inflicted on us as Dan has threatened to do then I predict a backlash against all visitors post Covid.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

If extra hands are needed for a particular job then the military are a useful source, but I remember wondering why they'd be better at guarding quarantined travellers than, say, police or prison guards.

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Maybe because Pol. & Prison G. are normally on shift work but the ADF seem to have heaps of blokes & don't normally do shifts. The govt. learnt that lesson the hard way & next time I trust the country is in better hands. There will be a next time maybe not for C-19 but for some other bloody awful disease. I read where there is a new Virus in China already.