Corona Virus

Poll results back Andrews and Anna.

Polls. Can you believe them ?

Premier Daniel Andrews’ handling of the second COVID-19 outbreak has the backing of a majority of Victorians while nearly two-thirds of Australian voters rate the state’s lockdown as “about right”, according to a Newspoll.
The poll for The Australian shows 62 per cent of Victorian voters agree the Premier has managed the virus crisis well, despite a hotel quarantine bungle that unleashed the second wave.

The Newspoll also found Queenslanders back Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk’s handling of COVID-19, with 68 per cent saying she is doing a good job, although this was drop from 81 per cent in July.

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Originally Posted by bob10

Poll results back Andrews and Anna.

Polls. Can you believe them ?

Premier Daniel Andrews’ handling of the second COVID-19 outbreak has the backing of a majority of Victorians while nearly two-thirds of Australian voters rate the state’s lockdown as “about right”, according to a Newspoll.
The poll for The Australian shows 62 per cent of Victorian voters agree the Premier has managed the virus crisis well, despite a hotel quarantine bungle that unleashed the second wave.

The Newspoll also found Queenslanders back Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk’s handling of COVID-19, with 68 per cent saying she is doing a good job, although this was drop from 81 per cent in July.

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A following article suggested when People are under stress they look for a Leader to rally around.


Yeah, I also thought the author was talking out of their arse as well.[bigrolf]

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Originally Posted by bob10

Poll results back Andrews and Anna.

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Given how well the “polls” called the last Federal jobbie I put more faith in a ouija board.

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Originally Posted by BradC

Given how well the “polls” called the last Federal jobbie I put more faith in a ouija board.

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I think Rick may be able to help you with that. He was talking about getting one so we could talk to his old Dad about summat.[bighmmm]

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Originally Posted by bob10

Poll results back Andrews and Anna.

Polls. Can you believe them ?

Premier Daniel Andrews’ handling of the second COVID-19 outbreak has the backing of a majority of Victorians while nearly two-thirds of Australian voters rate the state’s lockdown as “about right”, according to a Newspoll.
The poll for The Australian shows 62 per cent of Victorian voters agree the Premier has managed the virus crisis well, despite a hotel quarantine bungle that unleashed the second wave.

The Newspoll also found Queenslanders back Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk’s handling of COVID-19, with 68 per cent saying she is doing a good job, although this was drop from 81 per cent in July.

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... speaking of lock-downs here and NZ, this -guest contibutor - Doctor from the real frontline has some pertinent comments for the above Newspoll. - Right at the end of this:-
More COVID19 news from Sweden | Dr. Malcolm Kendrick

Pic is of a SAFE mask, as worn by Dr Rushworth. - Surgical masks are ineffective for tiny virus particles.

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Originally Posted by superquag

... speaking of lock-downs here and NZ, this -guest contibutor - Doctor from the real frontline has some pertinent comments for the above Newspoll. - Right at the end of this:-
More COVID19 news from Sweden | Dr. Malcolm Kendrick

Pic is of a SAFE mask, as worn by Dr Rushworth. - Surgical masks are ineffective for tiny virus particles.

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Thanks for that. Very interesting. This reply is as well. From North Carolina, USA.

This was a puzzling posting, almost saying Sweden did it right
as it declares “COVID is over in Sweden” by one ER doc’s observation,
with a few hundred cases a day in the nation the size of North Carolina.
NC, my home, which is in a quasi-lockdown of bars, concerts with gyms,
churches, bowling alleys open and some restaurants acting as bars, is
having over a thousand new cases a day, three times+ that of Sweden.
So, IF 300 new cases a day means covid is over, NC has a way to go.
On deaths, which the posting stresses, the post ignores the high number of
cases to date in Sweden compared to others. Comparing Sweden to its neighbors Norway and Finland, both of whom did lock downs,

Sweden has had 5900 deaths —
Finland a few hundred deaths,
Norway a couple of hundred deaths.
Sweden has had 19x as many deaths as its neighbors,

Maybe those numbers should feature in the posting,
especially when “still at under 6,000 deaths” is used as a good measure marker. Good if the pandemic is over in Sweden, but Finland & Norway have a long way to go before reaching that level of death.
OTOH, compared to my state of NC, in the USA, – Sweden, with about the same size population has had 88,000 cases reported, while NC has far more, 194,000 cases reported. Why so many more cases in NC? Twice+ as many.

Sweden, with half the cases, has twice the number of deaths as NC. Why more Swedish deaths?
IF deaths matter, as implied in the article, what does that say?
What is the lesson to be learned?
Despite the lack of lock down, Sweden’s economy has suffered nearly
the same as Finland & Norway. There’s another question, is it deaths, illnesses or the economic loss that count? What would be the proper formula? What will we do different the next time?

The current cost of NOT locking down in Sweden compared to adjoining nations:
—-is eight or nine times the cases,
— -16x the deaths as Finland & Norway
— and about the same economic impact.

I have questions, not answers here in NC, USA. What will we do next time?At this point in time, I don’t see Sweden as the example to follow and don’t understand why it is held up as a model at this point. The US FDA has not approved any treatment for Covid. No vaccine is approved. Without those, NC. Finland, Norway will have as many deaths as Sweden in time, maybe in six months for my state. Keep the discussion going, please

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Quite amusing really when many of these "random Haters" don't even live in Qld[bigwhistle]

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Yeah, makes you wonder, doesn't it ? And most of them have nothing positive to add. I doubt they have any mirrors in their homes.

For the correspondent in North Carolina :-

I can't say I've got an overly - high regard for some medical / regulatory agencies... Ours in Oz included.

Regarding an "approved" therapy for Wuhan Flu, these folk have produced something of value, and they're evolving it as new data becomes available.. Home – Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance This is also known as RWE, or Real World Experience.

Then there is the Old Favourite, blessed (or cursed !) by POTUS, - HCQ with zinc supplementation taken early and not when the hospitalized patient is in dire straits as has been done in more than one "Trial" .

Recently I came across a reference to an enourmously high vitamin D dose, followed by regular relatively high doses. Again must be started close to symptom onset.

There is a large body of evidence illustrating the correlation between low serum Vit D and infections, and not just covid. Vit D is an essential nutrient for an effective immune system, your first and best line of defence.

Just because something is not "approved" does not mean it is ineffective. Doctors are concerned about legal ramifications of using something that may or possibly end up badly.

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Originally Posted by bob10

Thanks for that. Very interesting. This reply is as well. From North Carolina, USA.

This was a puzzling posting, almost saying Sweden did it right
as it declares “COVID is over in Sweden” by one ER doc’s observation,
with a few hundred cases a day in the nation the size of North Carolina.
NC, my home, which is in a quasi-lockdown of bars, concerts with gyms,
churches, bowling alleys open and some restaurants acting as bars, is
having over a thousand new cases a day, three times+ that of Sweden.
So, IF 300 new cases a day means covid is over, NC has a way to go.
On deaths, which the posting stresses, the post ignores the high number of
cases to date in Sweden compared to others. Comparing Sweden to its neighbors Norway and Finland, both of whom did lock downs,

Sweden has had 5900 deaths —
Finland a few hundred deaths,
Norway a couple of hundred deaths.
Sweden has had 19x as many deaths as its neighbors,

Maybe those numbers should feature in the posting,
especially when “still at under 6,000 deaths” is used as a good measure marker. Good if the pandemic is over in Sweden, but Finland & Norway have a long way to go before reaching that level of death.
OTOH, compared to my state of NC, in the USA, – Sweden, with about the same size population has had 88,000 cases reported, while NC has far more, 194,000 cases reported. Why so many more cases in NC? Twice+ as many.

Sweden, with half the cases, has twice the number of deaths as NC. Why more Swedish deaths?
IF deaths matter, as implied in the article, what does that say?
What is the lesson to be learned?
Despite the lack of lock down, Sweden’s economy has suffered nearly
the same as Finland & Norway. There’s another question, is it deaths, illnesses or the economic loss that count? What would be the proper formula? What will we do different the next time?

The current cost of NOT locking down in Sweden compared to adjoining nations:
—-is eight or nine times the cases,
— -16x the deaths as Finland & Norway
— and about the same economic impact.

I have questions, not answers here in NC, USA. What will we do next time?At this point in time, I don’t see Sweden as the example to follow and don’t understand why it is held up as a model at this point. The US FDA has not approved any treatment for Covid. No vaccine is approved. Without those, NC. Finland, Norway will have as many deaths as Sweden in time, maybe in six months for my state. Keep the discussion going, please

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Must be an old article - Sweden was almost 9,000 deaths the last time I looked.

Edit: sorry, it was 5876 deaths, so nearly 6000: near 9000 is Canada.

Something from left field. The US military has developed wearables that can detect illness two days before the wearer gets sick. Currently being tested by 400 members , the devices give an indication on a scale from 1-100 on whether you may have a sick day ahead.

The watch and ring — by Garmin and Oura, respectively — are commercially available; they detect subtle biometric indicators, like slight changes in skin temperature. But a new algorithm, trained on Philips’ massive cache of patient bedside data, can analyze the data and predict whether the wearer will soon become ill from any of a wide variety of diseases, including COVID-19.
Called Rapid Analysis of Threat Exposure, or RATE, the system can’t tell you exactly what you have, but can tell you the likelihood, on a scale of 1 to 100, that a sick day is ahead.

In June, DIU and DTRA began giving the kits to about 400 people.. “Within two weeks of us going live we had our first successful COVID-19 detect” — that is, an indication that the wearer was unwell, which led to a further diagnostic test the revealed COVID-19, he said. “That was amazing.”

It’s the sort of data that, when combined with other information like location, perhaps via contact tracing, can help healthcare providers predict COVID-19 rates and transmissions.
“We are working with folks who are doing the contact tracing,” Schneider said. “It’s the healthcare professional who has the context. We’re really reliant on them for that contextual information. That’s the person who is going to know, ‘Airmen Snuffy has a high score. What else is going on? Have they been in a high risk area?’”



The US Military’s Latest Wearables Can Detect Illness Two Days Before You Get Sick - Defense One