Corona Virus

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Originally Posted by bob10

19 days and counting. Doesn't look good for Vic. with irresponsible beach goers, and Chadstone shopping centre.

'Don't risk everything': Maskless Melburnians greet sun and ignore rules

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Fake news - I just took the dog for a walk through the extensive parks that back onto my place and saw pretty much everyone wearing masks. Ditto for Princes Park during the week.

Whilst the idiots at St.Kilda beach make my blood boil there's two points to note:

(1) there's almost no community transmission at the moment, 1 or so cases on average in a city of 5 million so there's little chance of transmission in any case. As I've said before, this outbreak never was in the general community;

(2) 70 idiots at the beach last night (many of whom were probably backpackers) vs 5,000,000 doing the right thing = 0.0014%, or if you like, 1.4 per 100,000 people.


Interesting though that people feel the need to bag Victoria - I saw more online commentary today mirroring my views that if this is what we can expect from our fellow "countrymen" (we're all Aussies right? Well apparently not) then we're probably better off without the rest of you. And don't think for one moment that that's not an option.

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Originally Posted by Fatso

Au has had 27000 odd cases of Covid 19 with 20,000 in Victoria , with the rest of the 7000 spread across Au . WA has about 686 " Bugger All " cases , most of this number was at the start of the problem early in the year .

The point is each State started off with the same 1 or several points of contamination of the virus .

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That's really not the case - NSW and Vic together had nearly 5 times as many imported cases as WA did - there were flights arriving from India for example where 10% of the passengers were COVID-19 positive:

NSW: 2,343
Vic: 985
WA: 685
SA: 470

And until this recent outbreak Vic had been doing better than NSW overall.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

Fake news - I just took the dog for a walk through the extensive parks that back onto my place and saw pretty much everyone wearing masks. Ditto for Princes Park during the week.

Whilst the idiots at St.Kilda beach make my blood boil there's two points to note:

(1) there's almost no community transmission at the moment, 1 or so cases on average in a city of 5 million so there's little chance of transmission in any case. As I've said before, this outbreak never was in the general community;

(2) 70 idiots at the beach last night (many of whom were probably backpackers) vs 5,000,000 doing the right thing = 0.0014%, or if you like, 1.4 per 100,000 people.


Interesting though that people feel the need to bag Victoria - I saw more online commentary today mirroring my views that if this is what we can expect from our fellow "countrymen" (we're all Aussies right? Well apparently not) then we're probably better off without the rest of you. And don't think for one moment that that's not an option.

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Go for it. EDIT. Don't punish yourself over the actions of a few.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

That's really not the case - NSW and Vic together had nearly 5 times as many imported cases as WA did - there were flights arriving from India for example where 10% of the passengers were COVID-19 positive:

NSW: 2,343
Vic: 985
WA: 685
SA: 470

And until this recent outbreak Vic had been doing better than NSW overall.

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:eek2:looks like Vic wins first prize on all counts then .

In contrast, UK, - facing even more draconian measures - Spain (again...) and Sweden.

Interesting to see how these 3 are doing NOW. The Swedes have already identified where and how they had a very large number of deaths, - Nursing Homes, like many other countries. Not only "identified", but 'Apologised' for getting it wrong. Gosh, a politician or three actually admitting they stuffed up. - Would never happen here. [bigwhistle]

Sweden Spared Surge as SARS-CoV-2 Infections Stay Low

Open up and read some of the 135+ comments. Melbourne gets a mention ! , and there's a link in another 'Comment' to the Belgian Doctors Letter, and they should know something as Belgium is up with Spain as two of the worst hit / managed European countries.

Australia has been fortunate, in overall leadership (Except a certain chilly city....) lockdowns or Border closures our climate has worked for us. (Good sunlight = vitamin D) and most of all, we're largely immune to the political and Corporate shenanigans bedevilling the USA.

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Originally Posted by Arapiles

That's really not the case - NSW and Vic together had nearly 5 times as many imported cases as WA did - there were flights arriving from India for example where 10% of the passengers were COVID-19 positive:

NSW: 2,343
Vic: 985
WA: 685
SA: 470

And until this recent outbreak Vic had been doing better than NSW overall.

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NSW DID have significantly more imported cases than WA and VIC at the start of this outbreak but the death toll in that State is still only 53 so overall NSW have done a damn good job so far.
VIC had only 300 more cases at the start of this outbreak But the death toll in VIC is 796 higher than the 9 deaths in WA.

Even blind freddy can see that the VIC response to this pandemic has been a complete balls up so far.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Even blind freddy can see that the VIC response to this pandemic has been a complete balls up so far.

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Unfortunately I'd have to agree, re the second wave in any case - what's frustrating is that it never was widespread in the community so those numbers were very concentrated in particular postcodes, amongst specific workforces and, apparently, specific migrant ethnicities and nationalities. All of which overlapped.

It appears that it was circulating quietly amongst the above, was ignored by them, wasn't picked up by the authorities because the groups weren't doing testing and then exploded. The majority of the current cases are in aged care homes and what I don't understand is why new infections are still occurring there at all. There's been a suggestion that DHHS is restricting PPE use in some of the homes which is unfathomable if true.

But then again, the Alfred Hospital took over management of the quarantine hotels - and promptly subcontracted floor management to the same casual security idiots that they were hired to replace and who had done such an appalling job in the first place. It was only on Wednesday that the police were moved in to remove the casual security subcontracted by the Alfred.

New infections are still occurring in aged neglect homes because the staff get infected in the community and take the virus to work, often before they develop symptoms.
Nothing has been done to increase the number of Registered Nurses in aged care centres, so infection control has not improved and the virus spreads.
The only way to fix this is for the federal government to impose staff ratios, such as a RN for each 10 residents on day shifts, as is the rule in state government aged care centres, which have had very few infections.
This was the lesson from NewMarch House and Dorothy Henderson Lodge in Sydney, but it was ignored, resulting in 665 deaths in Victorian aged care out of 801 deaths.
The same process happened in Victorian hotel quarantine. Staff caught the virus in the community and took it into the hotels where it spread because casual staff were not trained in infection control.
This will continue until the rules are changed to require permanent staff trained in infection control to be used. Victoria has now fixed this by bringing in Corrective Services officers trained in infection control in prisons.
This virus is not going away, even with a vaccine hopefully next year, so society will have to permanently change the rules of how it operates. Casuals are out - permanent staff with proper training are the way to go, I reckon.

Coronavirus is here to stay. The sooner we accept that, the better | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

New infections are still occurring in aged neglect homes because the staff get infected in the community and take the virus to work, often before they develop symptoms.
Nothing has been done to increase the number of Registered Nurses in aged care centres, so infection control has not improved and the virus spreads.
The only way to fix this is for the federal government to impose staff ratios, such as a RN for each 10 residents on day shifts, as is the rule in state government aged care centres, which have had very few infections.
This was the lesson from NewMarch House and Dorothy Henderson Lodge in Sydney, but it was ignored, resulting in 665 deaths in Victorian aged care out of 801 deaths.
The same process happened in Victorian hotel quarantine. Staff caught the virus in the community and took it into the hotels where it spread because casual staff were not trained in infection control.
This will continue until the rules are changed to require permanent staff trained in infection control to be used. Victoria has now fixed this by bringing in Corrective Services officers trained in infection control in prisons.
This virus is not going away, even with a vaccine hopefully next year, so society will have to permanently change the rules of how it operates. Casuals are out - permanent staff with proper training are the way to go, I reckon.

Coronavirus is here to stay. The sooner we accept that, the better | Coronavirus outbreak | The Guardian

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Vote Mick for the new Vic Premier. :clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2::clap2:


Sounds good to me. Summats got to happen.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Casuals are out - permanent staff with proper training are the way to go, I reckon.

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Agreed.

For a few countries, including Australia, coronavirus has exposed serious societal problems. The stark differences - and different death rates - between the privatised but Commonwealth regulated nursing homes and the State run and non-profits is astonishing.

Australia, like Singapore and a few other countries in the region, has built its success on low paid, poorly protected migrant workers - and this is the result. Some were nominally here as "students" but the government's well aware that they're not.