Thread: Corona Virus

That "Leading Canadian Health Expert" may be outraged, but that doesn't make him right. In fact much of what he says has been repeatedly debunked and the rest of it is cherry picking data.

It seems to be standard procedure for people who want to deny the seriousness of the situation to look at a place where things are going well and say, "See, we don't need to take steps to contain this." They conveniently ignore the fact that in those places things are going well for the very reason that steps were taken to contain the problem.

He mentions a place where the death rate is 1 in 300,00, but ignores or is unaware of the situation in North Dakota where the death rate is 1 in 1,000. He also ignores the other seven states in the USA where the death rate is over 1 in 1,000.

If he believes "The is absolutely nothing that can be done to contain this virus", how does he explain the fact that Victoria has gone from several hundred cases a day to three weeks with no cases? Perhaps there is something that Victoria did that contained the virus.

With so much nonsense in his article, I find it hard to take anything he says seriously. In fact I find it difficult to believe that he really is a Canadian health expert. He sounds more like a Russian bot.

The Elephant at the end of the sick bed. If 95 % of people need to be vaccinated to stop viral outbreaks altogether, does the experience of the measles vaccine in the modern world point to a COVID vaccine failure?

"The vaccine comes in two doses that are 97 percent effective at preventing the virus, but to stop outbreaks altogether, 95 percent of a community must be vaccinated, reports Science News. Since 2010, the percentage of children around the world receiving the first vaccine has plateaued at around 85 percent, with only 71 percent receive the second dose, reports Jan Hoffman for the New York Times. A failure to properly vaccinate children on schedule ignited the resurgence of measles, reports Kate Kelland for Reuters."

"So far this year, the number of measles cases has dropped, likely as a result of the precautions taken to prevent the spread of Covid-19, reports Bloomberg. But public health experts aren't getting their hopes up—they fear that the cases have been underreported as healthcare systems across the globe are strained. Additionally, 94 million people are at risk for missing the measles vaccine because 26 countries paused vaccination campaigns as a result of the pandemic, the Times reports. But public health experts warn that it's more important than ever for vaccines to be available and accessible.
"What’s scary now is that our essential public health workers have been refocused from diagnosing, testing and reporting suspected measles cases to Covid-19," Robb Linkins, an epidemiologist at the CDC, tells the Times. "With measles, you have to be relentless.""

[ even more so with COVID , one would think]

A Resurgence of Measles Killed More Than 200,000 People Last Year | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine

As of 12/11/2020. Break down of ADF support for COVID assist.

Defence COVID-19 cases overseas climbing - CONTACT magazine (contactairlandandsea.com)

Sadly Bob, the “woke” of the world are often morons.

As mentioned above - cherry picking info that supports a single POV is bias and also enabled by the search engines and social media companies.

These “woke” people believe vaccines etc aren’t needed for those “old bugs” and they are a significant part of the problem.

The other big problem - particularly in places like the Bible Belt - is that people there think talking to the Man on the cloud will solve all the problems through faith.

Whilst we are held back by these 2 ideologies the species is damned.

Originally Posted by Tombie

Sadly Bob, the “woke” of the world are often morons.

As mentioned above - cherry picking info that supports a single POV is bias and also enabled by the search engines and social media companies.

These “woke” people believe vaccines etc aren’t needed for those “old bugs” and they are a significant part of the problem.

The other big problem - particularly in places like the Bible Belt - is that people there think talking to the Man on the cloud will solve all the problems through faith.

Whilst we are held back by these 2 ideologies the species is damned.

Unfortunately, " faith " has been hijacked by new age religion. And turned into a profit making business. A long long way from what it was meant to be. I begrudge no one their faith , whatever gets them thru the day. And I'm not arrogant enough to think I know better. Better not say any more, the AULRO man in the cloud might fling a lightening bolt at me.

Originally Posted by bob10

Unfortunately, " faith " has been hijacked by new age religion. And turned into a profit making business. A long long way from what it was meant to be. I begrudge no one their faith , whatever gets them thru the day. And I'm not arrogant enough to think I know better. Better not say any more, the AULRO man in the cloud might fling a lightening bolt at me.

This is the problem as I see it. When I initiated this thread waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy back it all sounded a bit sus with China's involvement in a Lab with a bit of a panic going on in Wuhan.
Since then, I can't even count the theories & links to "Experts" views, (I can count but I choose not to)

So many different views & comments littered with so called Bull**** from others.


The latest guy in Canada reckons it is a just a bad Flu & that may be, but it certainly muddies the discussion with other so called "sound" opinions.
To make matters worse is that I am not of the Medical Fraternity of any branch, & therefore do not follow wtf is going on & hope to be guided by more fortunate others who are but at the end of the day they are only links to other persons opinions.

Re Lock downs.
Again, more varying opinions, I can see the Commercial harm this must be doing not to mention the mental state of those "locked down". Good, Bad or indifferent, who can say what the outcome in the years ahead will bring? Some businesses will be "cleaned out" of crap practices & staff but it was probably due anyway.


Apologies, feeling a bit filo, philo, ****it, Philosophical this morning & have had thunderstorms all night so maybe it is in the air.

Originally Posted by 4bee

This is the problem as I see it. When I initiated this thread waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy back it all sounded a bit sus with China's involvement in a Lab with a bit of a panic going on in Wuhan.
Since then, I can't even count the theories & links to "Experts" views, (I can count but I choose not to)

So many different views & comments littered with so called Bull**** from others.


The latest guy in Canada reckons it is a just a bad Flu & that may be, but it certainly muddies the discussion with other so called "sound" opinions.
To make matters worse is that I am not of the Medical Fraternity of any branch, & therefore do not follow wtf is going on & hope to be guided by more fortunate others who are but at the end of the day they are only links to other persons opinions.

Re Lock downs.
Again, more varying opinions, I can see the Commercial harm this must be doing not to mention the mental state of those "locked down". Good, Bad or indifferent, who can say what the outcome in the years ahead will bring? Some businesses will be "cleaned out" of crap practices & staff but it was probably due anyway.


Apologies, feeling a bit filo, philo, ****it, Philosophical this morning & have had thunderstorms all night so maybe it is in the air.

The problem with advice on COVID is no one really knows just what the end result will be. The professionals are discovering new facets of it almost daily, it seems. To describe it as a bad flu, whilst may be historically correct [ re 1918 flu epidemic] is just lazy medicine, and dangerous, IMO. Just a recap;


This is from the MAYO Clinic. It's interesting to know that COVID has detrimental effects on all ages, not just the elderly.

"Organ damage caused by COVID-19


Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:

• Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
• Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
• Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease.

Blood clots and blood vessel problems


COVID-19 can make blood cells more likely to clump up and form clots. While large clots can cause heart attacks and strokes, much of the heart damage caused by COVID-19 is believed to stem from very small clots that block tiny blood vessels (capillaries) in the heart muscle.

Other organs affected by blood clots include the lungs, legs, liver and kidneys. COVID-19 can also weaken blood vessels, which contributes to potentially long-lasting problems with the liver and kidneys.
Problems with mood and fatigue


People who have severe symptoms of COVID-19 often have to be treated in a hospital's intensive care unit, with mechanical assistance such as ventilators to breathe. Simply surviving this experience can make a person more likely to later develop post-traumatic stress syndrome, depression and anxiety.

Because it's difficult to predict long-term outcomes from the new COVID-19 virus, scientists are looking at the long-term effects seen in related viruses, such as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).
Many people who have recovered from SARS have gone on to develop chronic fatigue syndrome, a complex disorder characterized by extreme fatigue that worsens with physical or mental activity, but doesn't improve with rest. The same may be true for people who have had COVID-19.
Many long-term COVID-19 effects still unknown


Much is still unknown about how COVID-19 will affect people over time. However, researchers recommend that doctors closely monitor people who have had COVID-19 to see how their organs are functioning after recovery.

It's important to remember that most people who have COVID-19 recover quickly. But the potentially long-lasting problems from COVID-19 make it even more important to reduce the spread of the disease by following precautions such as wearing masks, avoiding crowds and keeping hands clean."

And history of past epidemics and current history shows quite clearly that the economic issues resulting from a lockdown, border closure or other sensible control measures is always less than the economic woes that result from the pandemic spread of a dangerous disease.

If left uncontrolled, diseases like this one, with its combination of being highly contagious but with a long incubation period, with a substantial mortality rate, and with many cases requiring long ICU stays, result in very high medical costs*, likely collapse of medical services resulting in increased deaths from unrelated causes, and a massive drop in spending as people stay at home if at all possible.

*Not yet realised by most in the USA is the large number of personal bankruptcies from medical bills, and the likely collapse of some health insurance companies. This won't show up until somewhere about the middle of next year.

And the trauma of lockdowns is small compared to the trauma of multiple deaths in a short period of time. The fact that children seem to be less susceptible suggests that there will be a lot of orphans in populations that do not attempt to control this pandemic.