Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by mick88

I wonder if those who have recovered from the virus can get it again, or do they now have antibodies to fight off/prevent a second infection.
I have not read anything mentioning this, however i may have missed it if there is information about it.
It is a dreadful virus and we have a long way to go yet.

Mick.

Doubts cast over contracting COVID-19 twice
Can I get coronavirus twice? This Nobel prize winner is sceptical - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Originally Posted by mick88

I wonder if those who have recovered from the virus can get it again, or do they now have antibodies to fight off/prevent a second infection.
I have not read anything mentioning this, however i may have missed it if there is information about it.
It is a dreadful virus and we have a long way to go yet.

Mick.

If you've had it and recovered then you have antibodies for something like 3 to 12 months. There's a case in Japan that's been widely publicised on the internet where a woman who had COVID-19 recovered but subsequently fell sick with it again. No-one's sure why - could it be a biphasic disease (but only one other case that's known of - a woman in Wuhan), do you not develop resistance (but there's only been one other case) or does it hide in your body and then come out again (but it's not a parasite like malaria). Simplest, most obvious answer is that they stuffed up the test that cleared her.

They Recovered From the Coronavirus. Were They Infected Again? - The New York Times

expert reaction to people being re-tested positive for coronavirus after initial recovery | Science Media Centre

There is one study where several rhesus monkeys were infected. After the survivors had recovered there were antibodies in their blood, and it proved impossible to reinfect them. But there has not been enough time to say how long the immunity lasts, the study has not been replicated, and there were only two monkeys. And this was not on humans.

The experts, such as Peter Doherty consider that the couple of cases that developed a second infection probably were not clear of the virus when they were listed as 'recovered' and had a relapse. Even if they were tested as being clear after they appeared to be recovered, it is easy to get a sample that missed remaining virus - the remaining virus could be hidden deep in the lungs.

Originally Posted by JDNSW

There is one study where several rhesus monkeys were infected. After the survivors had recovered there were antibodies in their blood, and it proved impossible to reinfect them. But there has not been enough time to say how long the immunity lasts, the study has not been replicated, and there were only two monkeys. And this was not on humans.

The experts, such as Peter Doherty consider that the couple of cases that developed a second infection probably were not clear of the virus when they were listed as 'recovered' and had a relapse. Even if they were tested as being clear after they appeared to be recovered, it is easy to get a sample that missed remaining virus - the remaining virus could be hidden deep in the lungs.

So not a mutated version?

Yes the "relapses" were down to misdiagnosis of being clear in the first place.

In Melbourne they have been testing a young women who came down with a mild case of Coronovirus very early on. She recovered quickly and has had follow on examination looking for reinfection and/or antibodies - she has shown to have antibodies and no reinfection. When the scientists was asked how long she will remain immune, they said they were not sure as the virus had only been around since December and testing on this woman had only been going a short time.

They indicated that based on immunity from other similar viruses, immunity was likely to last between 9 to 18 months but no one knows. They also indicated that cases will continue to rise until "herd" immunity starts to kick in so the virus has problems finding new hosts to infect or a cure/vaccine is developed (vaccine 12 to 18 months) - noting these HIV/Malaria drigs being tested are not vaccines but drugs that may kill the virus in the body, versus a vaccine that forewarns the body what to look for and how to deal with the invader.

Remember the virus itself is pretty benign, it is the bodies immune response to get rid of it that kills people (the pneumonia) - so a treatment that lowers the immune response may also be a line of treatment - just like anti-histamines for allergies.

The second stimulus measure. On face value, it looks good, and well thought out.


ABC News

"Since the government announced its first stimulus package just over a week ago, the global and the domestic economic environment has deteriorated. We now expect the economic shock to be deeper, wider and longer."

Key points:

• Jobseeker allowance has been doubled, will be called the coronavirus suppliment
• The government will waive the asset test and waiting period for the jobseeker allowance
• The supplement will provide an additional $550 a fortnight on top of the existing jobseeker or new start payment and will be available to sole traders and casual workers who meet the income test.
• Anyone eligible for the maximum jobseeker payment will now receive more than $1100 a fortnight.
• From July 13, a further $750 payment will be made to those on income support that are not eligible for the coronavirus supplement.
• Covers 5.2 million Australians, including those receiving the age pension, a carers allowance, family tax benefit and the Commonwealth senior card
• Government to reduce deeming rates by a further quarter of a percent to reflect the recent Reserve Bank interest rate cut.
• From April, those affected will gain access to superannuation, tax-free, capped at $10,000 this financial year and a further $10,000 next financial year
• Sole traders or casual workers who have seen income or hours reduced by 20 per cent or more as a result of the coronavirus will be able to get early axis to your superannuation. Applications will be made online.
• All employing businesses will receive at least $20,000, all employing small businesses will receive at least $20,000 and some of the larger SMEs will receive up to $100,000.
• Around 30,000 not-for-profit organisations which have an annual turnover of less than $50 million will also benefit
• Government is guaranteeing in a 50-50 partnership with the banks and other lenders to provide more lending to Australia's small and medium-sized businesses. $40 billion scheme will start in early April will provide loans of up to $250,000 for up to three years for a business with a turnover of less than $50 million. No repayments will be required for the first six months.
• The government is proposing to increase the threshold at which a creditor can take action to initiate insolvency or bankruptcy from as low as $2000 today to $20,000 and giving companies and individuals six months instead of 21 days to respond.

Originally Posted by bob10

Good advice ,I'm not on facebook, never have been. I copied that from a link in the other thread.

And right there is the problem. "I saw it, copied it and passed it on as fact without subjecting it to any critical thought, independent research or fact checking".

I got a fantastic download from one of the infectious disease specialists at the hospital on Friday (I get updates once a week as to the preparedness of the State, Hospital, Staff, Ward and potential effects on an immuno-compromised child), and I'd love to use that information to correct some of the obvious misinformation in this and other threads, but if I do it, it's second hand information by the time I put it on the page and third hand by the time you read it.

Add into that mis-interpretation / communication because I'm not the expert, compounded by interpretation at the readers end and the inevitable chinese whispers, out of context cut and paste and general twisting of out of context quotes, and suddenly the cure looks worse than the disease.

Having said that, with the background I've collected over the last month and the specific information I received on Friday, I could probably make myself sound important/informed and might even have that smug factor believing I was performing a community service, but in reality I'd probably be at the same level as any other Muppet who cuts and pastes "facts" without any background or checking. So I won't.

If people acknowledged they were not the experts, and ceased passing on half-baked information that is either obviously wrong, cleverly written to appear plausible, genuinely written by uninformed people or badly communicated fifth hand information from genuine experts there'd be a lot less fluff and more relevant and factual information. That doesn't sell papers or make people feel important though.

Actually, it's not unlike mechanical advice on AULRO. "My rear wheel has a squeak when I turn right with the suspension lowered" :

• "Have you tried cleaning the MAP sensor?"
• "You need to do a hard reset"
• "Mine did that and it turned out to be a mouse in the glove box"
• "My mate had a car that squeaked once. It was a Ford. Don't buy Fords, they are **** because they squeak".
• "Your mate was a muppet, Fords rule ok!"
• "Dyslexia rules KO"
• "Listen muppet, if you don't have any advice about the squeak, get out of my thread".
• "If it only squeaks with the suspension lowered, don't lower it".
• "My wife has the Corona virus and she squeaks when she breathes".
• "Tell her to stop breathing".
• "Does she squeak when her suspension is lowered"
• "Ok you can stop now. the squeak was a loose wheel nut"
• "I bet your mechanic used a rattle gun and not a torque wrench"

and so it goes .....

Rant over.

Originally Posted by BradC

And right there is the problem.

Actually, it's not unlike mechanical advice on AULRO. "My rear wheel has a squeak when I turn right with the suspension lowered" :
and so it goes .....

Rant over.

Do 33's fit with a 2" lift.