Thread: Corona Virus

Interesting take on Sweden Covid 19 response in link below.

"More than half of Swedish households are single-person, making social distancing easier to carry out."
Back to the fact that over 50% of Swedes live in single person households - the best available studies indicate that extended contact within a household (or institution or bar) are a much bigger factor than outside crowd events .



Sweden is already way ahead of the rest of the Europe in telework: "More people work from home than anywhere else in Europe, and everyone has access to fast Internet, which helps large chunks of the workforce stay productive away from the office."

Swedes actually follow the travel guidelines voluntarily: "Trips...to Gotland -- a popular vacation destination -- dropped by 96% over the Easter weekend...And online service Citymapper’s statistics indicate an almost 75% drop in mobility in the capital."
and many more..
Sweden is not an example of "no social distancing" it's an example of a country that follows rules without laws and is already pretty socially distant. It is not losing front line medical workers, either, because it has PPE.
They seem much more well placed to follow guidlines than my
own home country..... so societal pressures or conditions make a difference.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DirkSchwe...05436399886336

Despite the above, Swden's rate of infection and deaths both compare unfavourably with most of the other Scandinavian countries.

Yes absolutely ,but economic cost less apparently(rightly or wrongly related to deaths etc, not something to debate in a general forum setting and in these economic difficult times there is a massive increase in stress whether worry or finanical leading to a increase in stess related conditions such as hear attacks, strokes, mental health problems even sucides and increased health care costsband so on over a long time to come....
Also wait at least one year to see whether total deaths under the area of the curves from different counteries lockdown styles comes out closer than you think. Area under curve will have a certain number of cases/deaths not sayings its right or wrong with different approaches but from a non emotional view point it will be interesting,
I compare their approach of societal obedience using education and logic verus my own native country approach of not using their brains etc as illustrated below and so many times at the medical centre where I work, some days its beyound belief how stuipid humans are and invoking their self destructive genes by their actions.
Covid 19 coronavirus: BurgerFuel brings in crowd controllers for all sites after mobs seen waiting for orders - NZ Herald

The herd immunity approach relies on about 70% of the population getting the virus and getting over it. There's just one problem with that approach with this coronavirus - no-one actually knows what it's capable of.

While the original focus was on the problems it causes with lungs, it's also now known to cause:

• stroke (via massive amounts of blood clots)
• heart attack (by directly attacking heart muscle)
• kidney problems (by directly attacking kidney cells)
• gastrointestinal issues
• skin problems
• may cause severe inflammatory disease in children

What if it also causes long term issues, like HIV or syphillis do, and all we're seeing at present is its latent phase? If that were the case then attaining herd immunity by getting infected - rather than by vaccination - would not be a good idea.

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

yes you're right Bob.

it's actually a very communistic type system in it's best operating form , where traditional company executives must listen to the lowest paid employee's suggestion and if voted on by the working group in which the employee is part of , must be adopted.....if not, the system fails.

in fact Harley-Davidson was saved from death in the early 90's , and it was suggestions from the employees , who knew the companies operations and problems , that saved it.

They did , in fact , employ value added management alongside just in time production , which actually saved the brand. The turn around was quite rapid and they still use the system today.

I think that "just in time" and "kaizen" (continuous improvement) are being confused or conflated.

Originally Posted by 4bee

It is becoming increasingly difficult to me & probably to most people to even begin to imagine what the numbers of dead actually look like.

I mean what do 46,000 corpses even look like? [No funny gags here please] The brain can't seem to compute & imagine those sort of numbers & that is only the number just mentioned that are missing. .

Blow up half the MCG when it’s full. That’s around 50k

Or About 3x the number of allied deaths on the Burma Railway. (Total deaths was over 100k)

For comparison 521 Australian soldiers died in Vietnam, USA deaths were 58,220.

Although compared to WW2




Although most wouldn’t envision even the common problems in society.

On average 8.3 people commit suicide daily on Australia.
That’s 3000+ annually

And in Australia between 1,500-3,000 people die from Influenza each year.

Heart disease etc take ~17k in AU annually

Here’s the top 10
3303.0 - Causes of Death, Australia, 2018

More Americans (about 63,000) have now died of C-19 than in the Vietnam War.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

More Americans (about 63,000) have now died of C-19 than in the Vietnam War.

Similar figure to last years Flu season in the USA so far.