Thread: Corona Virus

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

High risk of coronavirus second wave as Australian shops and workplaces reopen, report says

High risk of coronavirus second wave as Australian shops and workplaces reopen, report says | World news | The Guardian

That report would have to be the biggest pile of crap I have read recently, a mixture of stating the bleeding obvious with some hysterics thrown in. For a publicly funded institution they should at least provide some intelligent musings on the future insead of writing reports designed to garner headlines. This is the best that these clowns can come up with in the way of strategy..........


Schools should enforce social distancing policies, and close if a COVID-19 case is detected. NSW has been doing this since school went back 3 weeks ago

Mandatory quarantining of international arrivals must remain in place. No **** sherlock

And if a second wave of mass infections breaks out, governments will have to reimpose lockdowns. Really, maybe some insight into how difficult that might be would be useful. Maybe a couple of suggestions on how to manage the riots and civil unrest that might occur if this was to happen or the financial impact would be useful insights from a policy institute.

It’s dangerous for people to think this fight is over. The nature of the virus hasn’t changed – our behaviour has. Yes but the nature of our circumstances has changed as well, From being unaware of the number of community infections most states, including Victoria have a very good handle on where they are.

If Australians go back to a pre-COVID normal, the virus could spread quickly and wildly, like it has elsewhere. Again, no **** sherlock, as long as the virus is endemic in most populations outside Australia we will be fighting to stay in control.

Some of Australia’s states have effectively eliminated local transmission of COVID-19, and are keeping their borders closed to states where it persists. States should maintain different restrictions if they have different rates of local transmission. That makes sense, but it doesn't address nonsensical border closures.

Restrictions are obviously needed much less in states which have effectively eliminated the virus from their local population. Really???

Australia should learn lessons from the way the health system responded to the pandemic. Probably but what was so wrong about the response????

Telehealth has been embraced by doctors and patients; it should now be expanded to give more people quicker access to care. I believe this has already been done

Mental health and hospital-in-the-home services should be bolstered. aah, something that resembles a policy suggestion

And the federal and state governments need to strengthen supply chains to ensure adequate supplies of personal protective equipment and ventilators in the event of a second wave of COVID-19 infections. PPE OK, but I would imagine we have enough ventilators to last the next 20 years

If Australia gets this transition to a ‘new normal’ wrong, we won’t benefit from the overdue health system changes that the crisis forced on us. That would be another tragedy on top of the trauma caused by the pandemic itself. What is the "New Normal" anyway ? No one knows what the virus situation will be like in 6 months, a year, two years. It could be anything from the rest of the world having herd immunity and Australia remaining isolated and slowly going broke or a vaccine could bedeveloped, or the virus could burn itself out. All three are possible outcomes that have vastly differing "new normal" outcomes.


Clowns, I think I want a job there, could write a bit of the crap I put on this forum and be paid handsomely for it

Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by Eevo

isnt it likely they wouldn't of infected others at the protest?

It seems from the demonstrations in the US and here that the most effective transmissions may be indoors. I reckon we still have a bit to learn about how it is transmitted. Maybe it is OK to shout outside with a mask on but not to have a family gathering indoors? I have been wauiting with baited breath for an explosion of cases in Australia that can be attributed to the BLM protests but it is probably overdue if it was going to happen.


Regards,
Tote

Originally Posted by Tote

That report would have to be the biggest pile of crap I have read recently, a mixture of stating the bleeding obvious with some hysterics thrown in. For a publicly funded institution they should at least provide some intelligent musings on the future insead of writing reports designed to garner headlines. This is the best that these clowns can come up with in the way of strategy..........


Schools should enforce social distancing policies, and close if a COVID-19 case is detected. NSW has been doing this since school went back 3 weeks ago

Mandatory quarantining of international arrivals must remain in place. No **** sherlock

And if a second wave of mass infections breaks out, governments will have to reimpose lockdowns. Really, maybe some insight into how difficult that might be would be useful. Maybe a couple of suggestions on how to manage the riots and civil unrest that might occur if this was to happen or the financial impact would be useful insights from a policy institute.

It’s dangerous for people to think this fight is over. The nature of the virus hasn’t changed – our behaviour has. Yes but the nature of our circumstances has changed as well, From being unaware of the number of community infections most states, including Victoria have a very good handle on where they are.

If Australians go back to a pre-COVID normal, the virus could spread quickly and wildly, like it has elsewhere. Again, no **** sherlock, as long as the virus is endemic in most populations outside Australia we will be fighting to stay in control.

Some of Australia’s states have effectively eliminated local transmission of COVID-19, and are keeping their borders closed to states where it persists. States should maintain different restrictions if they have different rates of local transmission. That makes sense, but it doesn't address nonsensical border closures.

Restrictions are obviously needed much less in states which have effectively eliminated the virus from their local population. Really???

Australia should learn lessons from the way the health system responded to the pandemic. Probably but what was so wrong about the response????

Telehealth has been embraced by doctors and patients; it should now be expanded to give more people quicker access to care. I believe this has already been done

Mental health and hospital-in-the-home services should be bolstered. aah, something that resembles a policy suggestion

And the federal and state governments need to strengthen supply chains to ensure adequate supplies of personal protective equipment and ventilators in the event of a second wave of COVID-19 infections. PPE OK, but I would imagine we have enough ventilators to last the next 20 years

If Australia gets this transition to a ‘new normal’ wrong, we won’t benefit from the overdue health system changes that the crisis forced on us. That would be another tragedy on top of the trauma caused by the pandemic itself. What is the "New Normal" anyway ? No one knows what the virus situation will be like in 6 months, a year, two years. It could be anything from the rest of the world having herd immunity and Australia remaining isolated and slowly going broke or a vaccine could bedeveloped, or the virus could burn itself out. All three are possible outcomes that have vastly differing "new normal" outcomes.


Clowns, I think I want a job there, could write a bit of the crap I put on this forum and be paid handsomely for it

Regards,
Tote

I bagsy the job of your Public Relations "Expert".

Originally Posted by Tote

but it is probably overdue if it was going to happen.

you have to be in contact for a fair amount of time for ot to be passed on and that definetly affects transmission rates in different environments

so i am led to believe

Originally Posted by incisor

you have to be in contact for a fair amount of time for ot to be passed on and that definetly affects transmission rates in different environments

so i am led to believe

Is this Virus thing a Brightly Coloured Adhesive Backed Patch that sticks on if you are in contact with a Chrome or Stainless surface that in turn has been contacted.
On TV it is, except it doesn't appear to be self-Adhesive. The clowns that put together some of the TV Commercials need a good solid kick up the arse. The Ads portray a person who has been in contact with C-19 having Green "Moss" like patches on them. One wonders if that is how some people identify whether they have it?


"Nope I'm clean, No Green Moss on me today but I feel like ****."


Be handy if it was so you wouldn't touch it. Maybe for the next round of C-19 they can come up with such a thing. 't would make it much easier to ID.


"UNCLEAN UNCLEAN bring on the Tumbrels".



TIC thingy.

Its been 3 weeks since the protests and about 8 days is how long it typically takes for positive symptoms to appear after infection, although it can be longer, so its likely that protesters who later became positive got infected after the protests.

Have to be in close contact for at least 15 mins with an infected person who sneezes or does something else to pass it on. People wearing a mask who sneeze are unlikely to infect another person. If people are marching outside they are unlikely to be close together for long enough to be infected. I noticed many of the marchers seemed to be social distancing. Apparently it's now considered safe for up to 10,000 people to go to football stadiums if that's no more than 25% of capacity, but personally I'd avoid the toilets, like I do in shopping centres.

I'd be more concerned about going into enclosed spaces like shops or shopping centres, and I'd be very wary of going into small work spaces including offices or workshops, unless they were well ventilated and cleaned. Our youngest son has been told by his work that working from home will continue indefinitely, although he may sometimes go in one or two days a week for tasks which can't be done online. And he has his own office, not a shared space. He has a unique skill-set and his work doesn't want to risk losing him, because there is currently no-one else who can do what he does to the same level.

The recommendations quoted in this story below seem sensible to me. For example, telehealth should definitely not stop in September, but should become permanently bulk-billed to Medicare, I think. I've had two telehealth conferences with my doctor. It must be a huge benefit to people who have mobility problems or live remotely, plus it reduces the chances of doctors and medical staff being infected by their patients.

Areas without recent community transmission should be fine for travel, with the social distancing, cleaning and other precautions which should become permanent habits. Most of the problems have been in Melbourne and Sydney, so they should be avoided for now, I think. Hopefully Sydney won't have a second wave like Melbourne.

I see NSW Premier GladysB has today told people not to visit Melbourne, but said the NSW/Victorian border will remain open. She said Victorians should not travel interstate.
The Victorian Health Minister told Victorians to avoid the 6 LG areas of Melbourne which are the hotspots. She also believes the BLM protests did not cause Victoria's 'second wave' and blamed complacency.

If other states and territories are worried there are ways to manage their concerns. Northern NSW and other regional parts of NSW have had very few cases, so Qld and other states and territories could open their borders to people living outside the metropolitan NSW areas, as defined by local government areas.

Qld is not requiring Queenslanders who have been to regional Victoria to quarantine for 14 days to re-enter Qld, as people who have been to Melbourne now have too, so other states and territories could do the same.

The states and territories other than NSW and Victoria should open up to each other and NZ, I reckon, while watching closely for signs of a second wave.

PPE should be sourced from Aussie producers where possible, and large stockpiles kept. Surplus ventilators should remain stored in hospitals, ready to be brought out if needed.

Contact tracing should be rigorous. Anyone with any concern should go and get themselves tested, the more people the better, and repeat testing should be encouraged. People with very mild symptoms such as a minor sniffle or no symptoms at all have tested positive. There are ample tests kits available, so let's use them to save lives.

The virus is here to stay, it's not going away, and its possible other animal viruses may also jump to humans as animal habitat is destroyed, forcing wild animals into human areas. There are literally millions of Coronaviruses out there. We're going to have to learn to live with this virus mutating and being endemic and other viruses coming into our societies, even when vaccines become available, like we do with influenza, so they are not going away and this is the 'new normal', so the faster we adapt the better we will cope.

My opinions: What do you think.

Queensland and WA right to keep borders closed: Grattan report
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Well done Thailand! As a former resident myself, I appreciate how well the Thais have done.

As the world panicked over coronavirus, Thailand calmly put their plan into action
Thailand had the world'''s first coronavirus case outside China. Here'''s how it avoided disaster - ABC News

Good luck with finding an Australian manufacturer of PPE (I'm guessing you mean surgical masks and gloves) - especially one with sufficient capacity... I thought most of those went out of business in the face of cheap Chinese stuff. Are we willing to pay $3.00 each compared with $1.50 at our local pharmacy ?

Still very little - if anything - about Prevention. Start with bolstering YOUR immune system.. adequate rest, Vit C, Zinc, Vit 'sun' (D) for starters. If the doctors and medicos in your area have hoarded the available HCQ, there's always Quercetin from a Health Food/supplement shop. Take with zinc.

And not much more about effective or better treatment.... for those who look... evolving all the time and there's a drift away from intubated - "ventilators - Our - Saviours" as gold standard therapy. - Hospital-acquired pneumonia is a clear & present danger, as I found out the hard way recently !

But great work IS being done, as this highlights. The latest seems to be an evolution of the Marik Protocol (for Sepsis) Called MATH+, Evidence-based and designed by capable clinicians. - Not The Donald....

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-c...6-16_FLCCC.pdf

I've saved this to the "Health Info" USB stick attached to my keys.