Corona Virus

**bob10** · 5th June 2021, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Arapiles

You don't have to be vaccinated to pass it on, just asymptomatic.

Don't forget that there's a 20 day gap between the guy who got infected in SA quarantine and the infections kicking off in Epping - they still haven't found the link between the two, so presumably there was some undetected infection in the middle. The numbers of mystery cases around suggest that there is a reservoir of it in the community.

Sorry, I may not have made myself very clear, I wasn't suggesting you had to be vaccinated to pass it on, I'm just surprised that a vaccinated person could be infected enough to pass it on. But then I remembered they say the vaccination doesn't stop you getting it, just stops you getting very sick with it. Then there is the news that the delta variant was found in Sydney at the end of May, but it was a different strain to the Melbourne delta variant. Does this mean it could be mutating in Australia ? That hardly seems likely, given the amount of viral infections we have had, compared to elsewhere.

That begs the question, if there is virus present in the community, why haven't we found it yet? And if we can't find it in one place, could it be in others? It may be an overreaction, but should we consider mass testing of our population? I know India and the UK are very concerned about this Delta variant. Delta has spread to 54 countries, and is responsible for India's deadly second wave, and is taking over in the UK, threatening their release from lockdown.

There are two families in Melbourne with the Delta variant, and the link between them is thought to be two children in grade five at North Melbourne Primary School. But it is not known where the first family picked it up or where it was seeded. It could be they picked it up while in NSW, and considering a Delta strain was in Sydney at the end of May, it could be a possibility. here is a story on the world wide concern with the Delta variant;

Plea for 'global effort' on Delta strain amid Victoria's race to trace (thenewdaily.com.au)

And another on " what we know about the new Delta virus that is causing concern";

COVID-19: What we know about Australia's new Delta coronavirus variant (thenewdaily.com.au)

Of concern is the report that Delta may cause greater illness in children. And afaik Australia has no program to vaccinate children, unlike the USA. Should we ?

**Saitch** · 5th June 2021, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by bob10

Of concern is the report that Delta may cause greater illness in children. And afaik Australia has no program to vaccinate children, unlike the USA. Should we ?

I have long had the opinion that the younger folk should be vaccinated before the older.
Whether the young are at less risk or not, the fact is that, in the long run, they're more important to the race than us 60+ humans.

I mean, really, isn't giving a limited number vaccination to a 95 year old a waste of resource?

Look after the kiddies, I say!

**Arapiles** · 5th June 2021, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by bob10

Sorry, I may not have made myself very clear, I wasn't suggesting you had to be vaccinated to pass it on, I'm just surprised that a vaccinated person could be infected enough to pass it on. But then I remembered they say the vaccination doesn't stop you getting it, just stops you getting very sick with it.

That's what I was getting at - vaccination doesn't stop you getting infected, or infecting others, all that it's guaranteed to do is to limit your illness - to some extent at least. As an example, as far as I'm aware (given that there's no-one in ICU at present and no-one has died from the current outbreak) the vaccinated 96 year old nursing home resident who got Covid in this outbreak didn't get seriously ill, thankfully.

**bob10** · 5th June 2021, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Saitch

I have long had the opinion that the younger folk should be vaccinated before the older.
Whether the young are at less risk or not, the fact is that, in the long run, they're more important to the race than us 60+ humans.

I mean, really, isn't giving a limited number vaccination to a 95 year old a waste of resource?

Look after the kiddies, I say!

Not if the 95 year old is your Mother , or Father . At first, no vaccine had been cleared for use by children, but the USA has been doing clinical trials on vaccines with children, and they have authorised the first COVID vaccine for 12 to 15 years old. It is already authorised for those 16 years and up. Part of the danger is that children can present with little or no symptoms, and consequently spread the virus far and wide under the radar. Apart from the safety of children aspect, the risk of wide spread infection is reason enough to bring children into the mix. AFAIK , the vaccination of children in Australia hasn't been mentioned here. Makes you wonder if there is a vaccination plan, or is it that because we have done OK so far, there just isn't any urgency? If so, that may come to bite us sooner than expected.

First Covid-19 Vaccine Authorized by FDA for Kids Ages 12 to 15 | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine

**4bee** · 5th June 2021, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by bob10

Bloody Micks, always have the best real estate, and the best wine. Us C of E have to do with the flagon of rough red.

We Anglicans need to suffer occasionally to really know what Purgatory will feel like & what your Micks are in for.

Consider this a Dry Run except it isn't, if you get my drift.

**Eevo** · 5th June 2021, 03:54 PM

temporary they said... only 4 weeks they said

The Victorian government has extended its state of emergency, the legal mechanism allowing it to take extraordinary measures to fight Covid-19 including lockdowns.

**Arapiles** · 5th June 2021, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Eevo

temporary they said... only 4 weeks they said

The Victorian government has extended its state of emergency, the legal mechanism allowing it to take extraordinary measures to fight Covid-19 including lockdowns.

Had you noticed that we're still in the midst of a pandemic?

DiscoMick · 5th June 2021, 04:03 PM

They never found the original case in the Avalon outbreak, which spread across Sydney and south to Melbourne.
Sewage testing keeps indicating infection spread in Sydney.
I reckon an outbreak from hotel quarantine in Sydney could be behind this virus being picked up on the NSW South Coast and being taken back to Melbourne.

Just in case we didn't have enough concerns, there is currently an outbreak of Rhinovirus, the most common viral infection in humans.

I reckon Nature has decided its not going to take it any more and is fighting back.

I'm doing my bit. In the last month I've had the Influenza vax, the AZ Covid first jab and a booster for Rabies vax. Feeling moderately protected.

**Arapiles** · 5th June 2021, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

They never found the original case in the Avalon outbreak, which spread across Sydney and south to Melbourne.
Sewage testing keeps indicating infection spread in Sydney.
I reckon an outbreak from hotel quarantine in Sydney could be behind this virus being picked up on the NSW South Coast and being taken back to Melbourne.

Just in case we didn't have enough concerns, there is currently an outbreak of Rhinovirus, the most common viral infection in humans.

I reckon Nature has decided its not going to take it any more and is fighting back.

I'm doing my bit. In the last month I've had the Influenza vax, the AZ Covid first jab and a booster for Rabies vax. Feeling moderately protected.

Rabies? Are you worried Johnny Depp's dogs infected some possums?

**Eevo** · 5th June 2021, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Arapiles

Had you noticed that we're still in the midst of a pandemic?

did the govt really believe ths pandemic was only going to last 4 weeks? please!

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