Thread: geeeezzzz what next alcohol free Aust!!!!!

Yeah, But as though you would take the kid into the shop if you were buying alcohol for them.
Stupid, stupid laws. If someone is buying alcohol for kids they should be held accountable not the shop proprieter.
Australia has completely lost it with these types of laws.
Like the bikie legislation going through in SA. I am not pro bikie at all, but am a bike rider and these laws will affect all people that like to ride in a group, not just clubs and gangs. What happened to freedom of association as in the constitution??

Originally Posted by mitch

Coming from the other side of the counter, and keeping in mind that I wasn't there but have seen this happen firsthand hundreds of times.

I ran a Bottleshop for 2 years. I still work for the same shop as a second job to my apprenticeship ($20 a hour! ) I have refused TONS of people and I consider myself very good at it, telling people they cant have something is not easy. I have heard every excuse and seen every situation. Parents get so angry when the 17yo daughter walks down and picks some raspberry vodka cruisers out of the fridge while they are looking at the reds. They then both wander up to the counter and don't understand when I tell them I'm refusing them service. It was obviously the 35yo dads drinks he was just to lazy to get them

The person who served you did nothing wrong but maybe should have explained themselves better. As far as I'm concerned there is no grey area, If I have ANY suspicion AT ALL that alcohol is being provided to a minor I will refuse service. It is simply not worth the risk to sell it as there are very large fines for you / me / my boss. Around $3000, $6000 and $18000 respectively. These fines do get given out as well, they are not just a threat. There is no common reason a person over 18 shouldn't have ID on them, if your in a shop you have your wallet... and thats where you would keep your license or 18+ card. Complaining will also get you nowhere unless the person was actually rude to you. Thier employer should back them up 100%.

Also these rules are nothing new.... they have been in place for years. If people have gotten away with things like this before it was only the shop assistants incompetence towards RSA that allowed it.

if you had read my original post correctly you would have seen she had no ID as she was not bying anything. She simply came with me to the shop. BTW she was extremely rude to my daughter.

Mrs ho har

well there you go


I have just had phone call from a gentleman from Qld liquor licensing....he has said there is no law that states because my daughter did not have her ID that I could not be served. He said they can refuse service for other reasons but not that one. After I told him how she spoke to us and what she said he has told me that he will be contacting the Liqour Barn to calrify the law with them and will sugest that the Manager have some training in people skills as well.

So a e-mail can get results.


Mrs ho har

Originally Posted by ho har

if you had read my original post correctly you would have seen she had no ID as she was not bying anything. She simply came with me to the shop. BTW she was extremely rude to my daughter.

Mrs ho har

Just to clarify what I meant, its irrelevant that she want buying anything, in the eyes of the camera if she selects an item, then it belongs to her. Doesn't matter who goes to pay for it. I would still sell you whatever you selected though, although some people would not.

Im sorry if this has already been covered, but was this place by any chance a bottle shop attatched to a pub/tavern/etc. And at what time of night was it?

I tried to always buy the alcohol for my underage children, as I let them use my firearm and drive a car, this way I have some control over what and how much they drink. This is how you teach responsible drinking, safe shooting and hopefully good driving, this stupid idea that at a magic age you will be able to handle all this without any experience has been proven wrong many times.
I am not talking about serving alcohol to 10 year olds, but a beer or two at 15 never and never will hurt anyone. But a bottle of vodka at 18 will.
Dennis

Spot on Dennis.
Actually isn't it still perfectly legal for minors to drink alcohol under parental supervision at home? Or did I just make that up?

Originally Posted by dennisS1

I tried to always buy the alcohol for my underage children, as I let them use my firearm and drive a car, this way I have some control over what and how much they drink. This is how you teach responsible drinking, safe shooting and hopefully good driving, this stupid idea that at a magic age you will be able to handle all this without any experience has been proven wrong many times.
I am not talking about serving alcohol to 10 year olds, but a beer or two at 15 never and never will hurt anyone. But a bottle of vodka at 18 will.
Dennis

couldn't agree more ........

i'm running my boys U/16 footy trip this year again

i have had a few of the boys ask if than can bring some booze
**** yeahhhhhhhhhh i say (joke)

but i have asked all the parents that dont mind the boys having a couple of sherbs around the fire at night
to give me a list of what the boys are bringing and i will hand it out to them each night BUT only around the fire under our supervision ........


i have a lock on my esky so they cant just pinch it