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    Phone Holder

    Hi Richard,

    Neat set up there on the D3.

    I have the same phone - may I ask where you obtained the phone holder?

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    Hi Agro,

    The phone holder is a standard Nokia holder mounted on a poly block fixed to the handbrake lever cover
    RichardK

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    Do you not need extended shocks after installing Llams? and doesnt it over pressurise the air suspension?

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    In normal use Llams only gives manual control of some automatic height functions. A person in Italy did try the -20mm height at 190 kph to see what happens when the suspension lowers another 20mm at 160 kph - no need for shortened shocks!
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    what about roadworthy and insurance!!!

    with this unit fitted the way I understand this would make the vehicle unroadworthy and quite possibly not insured in the event of an accident.
    As per information from the VicRoads web site. The below relates directly to performing roadworthy inspections.

    To make sure a converted vehicle is safe to drive, complying systems
    have a default setting with an interlock that maintains the
    vehicle at a normal ride height when in motion.It is this interlock that needs to be checked when carrying out a roadworthy test as it is sometimes bypassed or missing on some systems and there is an override on others. The interlock should work automatically when the vehicle is mobile and not allow over-riding or manual control. The only exception to this may be a vehicle that has a high setting for covering extremely rough or rutted surfaces but this should only work at low speeds.
    Note that the above requirements do not apply to OE systems which will be ADR approved and some do have manual over-rides for off road use.

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    For off-road use only...
    Unplug the switch from the module or replace the module with the supplied loop-back plug to de-activate it when on road.
    MY21.5 L405 D350 Vogue SE with 19s. Produce LLAMS for LR/RR, Jeep GC/Dodge Ram
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigl View Post
    with this unit fitted the way I understand this would make the vehicle unroadworthy and quite possibly not insured in the event of an accident.
    As per information from the VicRoads web site. The below relates directly to performing roadworthy inspections.

    To make sure a converted vehicle is safe to drive, complying systems
    have a default setting with an interlock that maintains the
    vehicle at a normal ride height when in motion.It is this interlock that needs to be checked when carrying out a roadworthy test as it is sometimes bypassed or missing on some systems and there is an override on others. The interlock should work automatically when the vehicle is mobile and not allow over-riding or manual control. The only exception to this may be a vehicle that has a high setting for covering extremely rough or rutted surfaces but this should only work at low speeds.
    Note that the above requirements do not apply to OE systems which will be ADR approved and some do have manual over-rides for off road use.
    Craigl, some more information such as a link would be useful. I've googled a couple of those sentences and they don't come up on the web. VSI8 which pertains to vehicle modifications makes no such mention of those paragraphs. It looks to me like the above is providing engineering advice on aftermarket airbag suspensions which is not what LLAMS is.
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    It reminds me of rules regarding air replacement systems that allow lowering of the rear or of 1 side of a vehicle to facilitate loading, either of goods or for wheel-chair access. The vehicle must be returned to a level state and must be locked there before it can move.

    I considered a request to make the Llams system able to lean a vehicle left or right at the driver's discretion. Apart from having to intercept another loom for one of the cross-link valves, I had no way of ensuring that the vehicle could be limited to extremely slow travel, as activation at speed could easily end in disaster. Hence I discarded that development.
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    craigl Guest

    here is a link!

    Licensed vehicle testers - testing times : VicRoads

    please go to the current publication which is issue number 27, these publications come out almost monthly updating roadworthy testers of changes and clarifications on rwc testing.

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    "Aftermarket airbag suspension conversions where the original springs are replaced by air bags are becoming more common. The conversion can be safe and effective if done properly. Unfortunately the flexibility of the system can cause problems. The extremes of raising and lowering may be fine for posing but can make the vehicle unsafe when mobile."

    Dosen't sound much like a Land Rover with LLAMS to me.

    This does though.
    "Note that the above requirements do not apply to OE systems which will be ADR approved and some do have manual over-rides for off road use."

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