Thread: Total Engine Failure 2005 D3 TDV6

Originally Posted by Slunnie

Hmmm, I think the one kia I went to test drive, well I couldn't actually get it to select a gear and then the gear boot broke off. That is my lasting impression of Kia. I do however think that of the Korean brands that Hyundai is under rated but neither of them are in the same market as Land Rover.... so who cares about them really.

Kia is now owned by Hyundai and most of the vehicles platform share. I believe the quality has improved to the same level now, though the early ones were dreadful.
My experience was a hire car which had an auto that would not change up from second gear. I drove around Perth for the day in second.

Originally Posted by Slunnie

..of the Korean brands that Hyundai is under rated .

Although totally off topic re:Richards engine , I
test drove a i45 2.4 whilst waiting for the D3 wheel alignment a
couple of weeks back , and it was waaaaaay better than a Camry.
I was impressed with the component quality and the fit and finish.
It went like stink up Buderim hill , without the usually 4 cylinder
scream and less than $30k otr.
60 months warranty .......

Originally Posted by RichardK

You probably misunderstood me, my comments were my own observations, of course LR are responsible for any warranty failure of their finished product, my point was I can't blame Landrover for an internal failure of a component they didn't build even though it is part of their product.

Your spot on and this is a clue to Land Rover starting to improve their quality in the early 90s. Apparently then when a component failed Landrover carried the issue themselves - then they realised that most of their reliabilty problems were items supplied by other makers - so warranty claims then started to be passed on to these parts manufacturers, they started to be held accountable for the quality of the sub parts - slowly the quality of these parts improved and in some cases suppliers were changed.

So - yes Landrover is responsible at the customer end but further up the chain the Landrover system should be holding their suppliers accountable.

Garry

Originally Posted by Chucaro

Well just try to put your KIA in the same places that we put our LR's and treat it in the same manner and you will be need a broom and shovel to pick up the pieces

Yep, I agree 110%, the Kia is only a 'soft-roader' , and should'nt be expected to go anywhere off the beaten track that 2WD's can manage... Yet I reckon it can exceed the wildest promises (... being able to remain ON a wet road...) of its brochures, whereas too many - New - LR's are struggling to live up to their glorious history, never mind improve on it ! And treat the LR brochures as examples of the copy-writer's Art, not Reality..

Yes, you're right, I feel let down.. big differance from driving a work-Rangie that I used to borrow occasionally, and the reality of owning one and finding/fixing the faults...many of which were'nt in the '89, but infest my '95.

As the Kia - owning but Rover-phile Engineer friend oft said.. "Range Rover, designed by a Gentleman...but built by Poms"

To which I'd add, - "with cheapy parts supplied by shrt-sighted management"

The only reason GMH made the Holden handle well (Radial Tuned Suspension) was the number of complaints from owners about 'Terminal understeer' etc etc.
Then Ford, terrified by the reaction of the buying public, did similar, and even Chrysler invoked magic to keep the Valiant 'on' the road. Most of the time... All because they were pushed by disgruntled - Potential - buyers.

Forums only spring up when folk want to share info or commisserate... and most Oriental vehicles don't break down enough... so it would be pretty boring...

My Rangie *is* up for sale, - but only when I've fixed the serious stuff and most of the non-essentials. Like window switches... Then road - tested it all to be sure-to be sure... Then off-road tested it...then fix it and try again till its right.

Until then I'll drive my Jap -LPG Mazda 'cos it's 1/4 the co$t of the Event Horizon. The heater also works betterer...

Despite what some of you may think my opinion of LR is, I'll sleep a lot easier if it leaves me in (off) road-worthy and better condition than when I bought it. Its only fair to the memory of Spencer-King.

This being a 'Forum', commisserations to Richard for the way Le Frogs let him down in the Engine Room, and a piece of useless info:-

Was chatting to a LR Mechanic, he mentioned that his Classic was MUCH cooler in the cabin since he replaced the alloy-block Rover engine with a huge cast-iron Chevy V8.
- Reckons the alloy radiated heaps more than the iron does, and the floor is now cool, even on a summer's day whereas it had been unpleasantly warm there and up behind the dash. Similar to having the heater ON during summer.

Another excuse for putting ventilation holes in the fenders and letting the heat out... to make everything in there last longer.

I think in fact this thread was hijacked by my problems, in fact it was started by rdenyer who had an engine failure of similar proportions, seems to have been forgotten.....................

rdenyer, any news on your engine?

The only reason GMH made the Holden handle well (Radial Tuned Suspension) was the number of complaints from owners about 'Terminal understeer' etc etc.
Then Ford, terrified by the reaction of the buying public, did similar, and even Chrysler invoked magic to keep the Valiant 'on' the road. Most of the time... All because they were pushed by disgruntled - Potential - buyers.

Ummmm.....not quite in my opinion. It was the accepted practice of the day to make the big wallowy sedans manufactured in Oz, understeer, as it was deemed safer for the inexperienced drivers. It was more a shift in perception by Australian car buyers with the 'good' handling vehicles from Europe hitting our shores at the time. Even these early 'RTS ' type examples had massive understeer by current standards. IMO the advertising of the era was taking a long bow trying to compare the 'tricked' local sedans to Alfa's and Bmw's It was certainly the start of better times though.

Hey Superquag , how much you paying someone to take your RRC off your hands ? From your constant inane crap about everything Land rover , mixed with your love of everything oriental/Jap then Ive decided that for say $500 paid in cash to me ,Ill come round and collect from you , as long as you promise to ban yourself from all Landrover forums .
In the meantime , I own a D3 TDV6 and happen to be very interested in what develops for these guys with their engine problems

I had the verbal report from the dealer today..............

The big end bearing at No. 3 has spun and destroyed the bearing, thrust washers and scored the crankshaft, pictures have been taken and sent to LRA. Their comments may be available as early as Friday or early next week.

My thoughts are a new engine should be fitted and should be done by implied and reasonable expectation warranty, thats what I shall be seeking.