Thread: Which is better Off Road a D3/4 or a late model Defender? ... Puma 110

(Yawn)

Originally Posted by TerryO

Well our friends over in the Defender section have been keeping themselves busy. In between discussing remedies for breaking diff's, cracked chassis, weak axles, how many bags of goat poo they can carry in a 110 or the need to replace their drive shafts with expensive double carbon units if they give their Defenders a very basic 40 mm suspension lift, that so many feel the need to do, they have come up with several versions of the Disco t-shirt.

Attached is one of the versions of the t-shirt that has brightened their otherwise dreary days discussing repeatedly at great length how many Defender owners bothered to wave back at them or not when last out driving.

Kinda like the Disco owners with EAS faults,dash warning lights,limp mode,turbo issue's,rubber band tyres . Pat

Originally Posted by PAT303

Kinda like the Disco owners with EAS faults,dash warning lights,limp mode,turbo issue's,rubber band tyres . Pat

You forgot the instructional video of how to replace a cooked 2.7 tdv6 engine of a "prestiege vehicle" with the almost identical, yet slightly better designed engine from a commoners ford territory! And how to do it without removing the entire body from the chassis.

Come on boys. The D/d4 guys have made it clear before that the new shapes are much more reliable and have less rattles than anything based on a series LR or RRC (Deefer, D2 etc)...you guys clearly dont frequent this page often enough.

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(Just dont mention the war..ie the fact that when the gearbox (inevitably) goes it costs more to replace than an entire 4.0 or 4.6 V8, that suspension BUSHES cost could fund new suspension in an older shape several times over or that if the turbo/s go or the TD spins a bearing/siezes the costs of effecting repairs would buy and sell 2 older vehicles complete to effect a fix....because mention those things and, well, you would be hitting below the belt ).

Cheers

Originally Posted by frantic

Let's list what we've learnt so far.
To match, or in their opinion better a stock puma offroad a D4 needs:
3000 of wheels
2500-3500 of tyres
Suspension lift
Smaller brakes
Engineering report
And don't forget
A Heat gun to fit rubber.

It's totally not fair if a defender driver fits,
3000 of ashcroft
1500 of 35plus in tyres
500 wheels
Tom woods dc
Engineering
And uses a grinder to fit flares /offset rims.

A D4 doesn't need much at all, but if you think having a off road comparison would truly show each vehicles capability's with one of them on highway tyres then I guess you don't want a true comparison at all.

To match, or in their opinion better a stock puma offroad a D4 needs:

3000 of wheels ................. Yes to buy Gordon's 18's
2500-3500 of tyres ............. Nope, plenty of good off road 18" tyres for much less
Suspension lift ................... Nope, in case you had not noticed it comes std.
Smaller brakes .................. Nope, Gordon's 18's fit std brakes
Engineering report .............. Nope, Gordon's wheels don't need it.
And don't forget
A Heat gun to fit rubber. .. God only knows what your on about. ...


So me old mate even after all of this discussion you guys still don't have any clue how a late model Disco works do you?

I think defenders look good on 18's,I wish the sawtooths on the X-Tec were that size. Pat

*OP starts a thread with a very controversial subject matter
*sooks and berates other posters who voice their opinion + back it up with evidence, if this opinion or evidence differs from his own
*wondering why I renewed my subscription a couple of days ago

I cant believe this thread is still banging on.
Points have been made for and against for each vehicle. No one will win this debate simply becuase each owner is unwilling to admit their vehcile is inferior in some way, we all love our landy..i get it.

In saying that, when i go 4wding with my mates i feel pretty good in my defender. Follows my mates cruisers and patrols effortlessly and has impressed all of them. They used to joke about it and give it to me when i first bought it, but after a few trips to watagans, lithgow, mt walker, ourimbah etc it has earned all their respect. Its no longer a joke, now they say "that things a weapon" and if i struggle on a track they all start to worry. They dont worry because i own the best 4wd in the world (it is in my eyes) but becuase its an excellent setup.

I love my puma and the d4 guys love their rig just as much. Ive never owned a disco, i only see them everywhere doing the school run in the eastern suburbs of sydney and as a result dont consider them a serious off road vehicle. In saying that some are willing to pay 80k plus and put them on the rough stuff with no compromise and im sure its goes ok, it is a land rover at the end of the day.

My opinion will always be my opinion and its favoured to my puma, the d4 guys feel the same about their vehicles ......agree to disagree and lets orgainse a 4wd day later in the year as a bit of fun: d4s vs pumas