Thread: Disappointed in the D5 / waiting for the Defender

Hardly cv breaking material there.

Also you can fit 35's on a defender with nothing more than a 2" lift.

The interior looks good apart from inadequate space in the rear, but the outside is pig ugly. The fact that the HSE is also made from Unobtanium at $143 odd K optioned up. The mid range 4x4 has now become an elitist vehicle (though I guess this did start with the D4). At least in D1 and D2 incarnation the average person could afford the top of the range. Will in all honesty likely mean I never buy a new Land Rover again, maybe a second hand one at best.

Originally Posted by CraigE

The interior looks good apart from inadequate space in the rear, but the outside is pig ugly. The fact that the HSE is also made from Unobtanium at $143 odd K optioned up. The mid range 4x4 has now become an elitist vehicle (though I guess this did start with the D4). At least in D1 and D2 incarnation the average person could afford the top of the range. Will in all honesty likely mean I never buy a new Land Rover again, maybe a second hand one at best.

Top of the range d1 was around $80k! Back in 1994! Not much difference to todays rate of $143k

I bought a second hand machine - and love it. Let someone else cop the worst of the depreciation I say!

Not sure what the Defender vs Amarok "mine is bigger than yours" discussion has to do with the Discovery 5?

Originally Posted by veebs

I bought a second hand machine - and love it. Let someone else cop the worst of the depreciation I say!

Not sure what the Defender vs Amarok "mine is bigger than yours" discussion has to do with the Discovery 5?

And particularly when comparing a stock car vs a modified!

Originally Posted by Vern

Top of the range d1 was around $80k! Back in 1994! Not much difference to todays rate of $143k

Well a mid range SE model in 97 was $42 now over $100k so has more than doubled in 20 years. In 1994 the most expensive D1 was $65k, a Tdi SE was $44k in 94. The odd thing is they actually got cheaper by 97. I bought an SE in 1997 brand new optioned up for $42 on road total, including bull bar, tow bar, snorkel, mats and a few other items. In the D1 I don't remember there being a HSE. 1997 SE was $42k RRP, SE7 was $51K, Rossignal $57k, ES (no HSE) $65 but you could easily get these on road for same if not better and LR extras added. The P38 Range Rover in base was only $99 then and just over $114 for the HSE and $149 for the Autobiography. These were all 1997 update prices.

Even more surprising was the most expensive D2 in 2000 was $67k but as low as $46k for a TD5 manual.
The most expensive D2 update in 2004 was just on $80 and that is maybe what you are thinking of and that was a HSE ( from memory HSE in the Disco only came in with the D2 update). But as low as $52 for base models.

Of course these were RRP and you could get much better deals on them, in 97 you could even get the V8 for around $38k (what I was offered in a SE7).

You say not much of an increase, well over 10 years D1 & D2 around $15k in the top of the range. In 12 years between 2005 D2 to D5 in 2017 a $63k increase and you reckon that is OK

I do get the vehicle is much more technologically advanced, but still its a massive price leap for what was a mid point 4x4.

Originally Posted by rammypluge

My Rok gets through...
Amarok Club of South Australia along the Border Track (15) - YouTube

Patrol, also on 33", gets stuck...
Amarok Club of South Australia along the Border Track (16) - YouTube

Amorok Sorry we have one as a track response car and in all honesty one of the biggest POS's I have ever driven. Gutless and uncomfortable. Was very disappointed to say the least after hearing all the hype about these. My TD5 Defender can get off the line much quicker. To do a motor race chase you have to rev it to 4000rpm to even get it off the line at a half decent launch pace and then within milli seconds hit 5000rpm and have to change gear with massive lag. I can get a loaded Fallcon Ute with 500 litres of water and a Land Cruser V8 ute with 500litres of water plus cutting gear and CAFFS unit of the line much faster. Off road the Rok is pretty average.
You cannot seriously compare a Rok with a Defender. The Defender any model will walk all over the Rok offroad any day without any mods.

My old d1 ES tdi had $72k price tag on it according to the books i had. And it wasn't anywhere near as flash as a d2/3/4/5 or even a range rover at the time.