Thread: D5 Disaster

Originally Posted by 4bee

I trust they are better than the D1 Update slide out contraptions. You went for the Hi/Lo knob & the cup holder shot out just when you needed your hand. Never even had a velcro ribbon setup to keep it in place. I Duct Taped it in permanently. Well, until the tape dried out.

Ah the good olde days eh?

Well at least that is better than the series one...

Originally Posted by scarry

Well at least that is better than the series one...

That'd be the Canvas Water Bag on the front bumper cupholders? You were probably posh & had a proper frame on the bumper to keep said bag out of the ****.

Originally Posted by scarry

If I was in the vehicle manufacturing business,I know what I would be doing.

So do the Koreans.

Originally Posted by scarry

Not taking sides,but I have this ‘discussion’ with one of my brothers all the time,and he is an LR nut.

Do LR actually innovate these days?Sure years ago they were first with coils and airbags,in 4X4,s,etc.

With Ford,they developed the brilliant Terrain response system with EAS,but that was quite a few years ago.

These days,I don’t think they do much innovating?

They probably do a small amount,as do all manufacturers.

Is the best way to go forward,make highly complicated vehicles,and risk unreliability,that leads to a bad reputation?

Or make basic type vehicles,copy the others,improve the design,make them ultra reliable,and sell them in huge numbers,with a pretty good reputation.

If I was in the vehicle manufacturing business,I know what I would be doing.

I’d count a new model with a new chassis as innovation, 100nm more torque on the SDV6 in 2019 as well.
while not innovation the inclusion of heated and cooled seats, massage seats, heated steering wheels, mirrors etc, lane guidance, parking assist, tow assist, adaptive cruise. Assisted braking, electric fold rear seats, auto lowering tailgate and all the other technologies which go with the new cars all have the ability to cause issues later - I’m unsure of the LC200 includes any of these?

Having bought and sold cars for years I learnt to avoid brand new cars and instead bought the last of the model concerned. Our worst car by far was a brand new Holden VR Calais..what a dog. Spent more time at Motors on the hoist than in our shed.

The run out Paj looks the best of the current new cars in terms of value for money..proven reliability off road capability.etc. But it's a dinosaur compared to even the D4.

LR do innovate..look at the chassis of the D5..its amazing engineering with massive weight saving. Then look at a 200s chassis which yota will prolly change if they are to meet safety and efficiency requirements.

I think most current new car offerings are becoming quite stale and many are not suited to AULRO members needs.

As one comnentator said LR have blurred the line between a normal sedan and an amazing capable large off road touring vehicle.

Who else has done that?

Originally Posted by Lukeis

I’d count a new model with a new chassis as innovation, 100nm more torque on the SDV6 in 2019 as well.
while not innovation the inclusion of heated and cooled seats, massage seats, heated steering wheels, mirrors etc, lane guidance, parking assist, tow assist, adaptive cruise. Assisted braking, electric fold rear seats, auto lowering tailgate and all the other technologies which go with the new cars all have the ability to cause issues later - I’m unsure of the LC200 includes any of these?

You beat me to it..re chassis...well said☺

Originally Posted by Lukeis

I’d count a new model with a new chassis as innovation, 100nm more torque on the SDV6 in 2019 as well.
while not innovation the inclusion of heated and cooled seats, massage seats, heated steering wheels, mirrors etc, lane guidance, parking assist, tow assist, adaptive cruise. Assisted braking, electric fold rear seats, auto lowering tailgate and all the other technologies which go with the new cars all have the ability to cause issues later - I’m unsure of the LC200 includes any of these?

Sahara has most,if not all,of those features plus more.Even the top model Prado has most,if not all of them as well.And that is without having to add extras.LR seem to have all these added extras at huge cost.In fact looking at their model runs,then adding extras for this and that,and some have to have this as well,is a bit messy.

FWIW,apart from the safety features,the other features don't interest us at all.

As for alloy chassis,i don't know,but many brands have been using alloy in their vehicles for years to reduce weight.Its nothing new.
Some have probably had alloy chassis,or parts of the chassis.

As for engines,other European manufacturers have similar capacities, designed with similar,or better power outputs for a while.

Originally Posted by scarry

Sahara has most,if not all,of those features plus more.Even the top model Prado has most,if not all of them as well.And that is without having to add extras.LR seem to have all these added extras at huge cost.In fact looking at their model runs,then adding extras for this and that,and some have to have this as well,is a bit messy.

FWIW,apart from the safety features,the other features don't interest us at all.

As for alloy chassis,i don't know,but many brands have been using alloy in their vehicles for years to reduce weight.Its nothing new.
Some have probably had alloy chassis,or parts of the chassis.

As for engines,other European manufacturers have similar capacities, designed with similar,or better power outputs for a while.

After reading you're posts..which are usually very informative..I have come to the conclusion you are simply on the wrong forum😚

No offence but really you are struggling to put down the LR chassis engineering with your last sentence on that topic!

Anyhow I respect you're right to provide comment and support for other brands but the fact is they are followers not leaders wrt many LR features and innovations.