Thread: Won’t be retro...

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

Are you trying to start some sort of new religion?

Yes, niceolic

Originally Posted by SBD4

Got this in the inbox tonight:

I didn't get I'm guessing you have to sign up somewhere?

Originally Posted by goingbush

I haven't bought a new LandRover in the last 5 years because they have not had a single bloody thing that I would buy , Instead I spent $130,000 of my LandRover slush funds on another brand .

I'll never be spending another dollar on a petrol or Diesel vehicle of any manufacture again , Are you Listening JLR , I have cash waiting for the right 100% Electric 4x4 , and its looking a lot like a Bollinger B1 .

Dont get me wrong, I'd love to buy a new LandRover but I cant see that happening in a hurry, Not excited about Ineos either , not with their BMW ICE engines,

I think the point he was trying to make was dont hate modern LR's unless you have tried it.

This is their most impressive 4x4 currently imo, my fav is exit of water crossing at 5mins.

YouTube

At the same time as much as i would love to have many of the new JLR cars, nothing has compelled me like the New Defender.

Land rover have redesiged the new Defender to modern standards becuase they HAVE to, to be able to keep it in the market.

They built it to be extremely capable offroad, onroad and have a full EV version coming, which will be a newer more comfortable and reasonably reliable version of what you have built.

In the meantime they give us Hybrid which is also the most practical for touring+day to day short trips in AU.

Based on your series build and how passionate you are with electric 4x4s, people could be forgiven for thinking this would be right up your alley.

However I get the bare bones attraction for you with the Bollinger, but for many reasons its not for me, there is also no guarantee when it will be avail, if its coming to AU or what if any safety it will have.

Rivian would be more likely to hit AU before Bollinger, thoughts on the Rivian? I like the RRC looking one, but full EV would not be practical for me for the touring i do at this stage.

This could give us pretty solid clues on engine options for new defender.

2020 Range Rover's Lineup, Including a Plug-In Hybrid – Prices, Details

About 3.5 years ago I had a hole burning in my pocket and visited a Land Rover Dealer. I already had multiple LR’s at home, so wanted to make stable “ALL LR”.

The dealer had 1x110 and 1xFL2. I test drove a Discovery Sport but it just didn’t float my boat.

(I was really after a 90)

Looking at the DS - everything was an option. And I mean EVERYTHING. The standard colour was white, ANY other colour was $2k-$5k option!

Anyway on the day I had a **** salesman that looked down on me (he was in a suit, I was in jeans and a t-shirt)

He couldn’t answer most of my questions on the DS because it “had just been released”

Clearly I got the wrong salesman on the day.

I walked out and bought another brand after being very frustrated with the treatment that I received from the salesman.

I hope and pray the same thing doesn’t happen with the new Defender. I will also be trying another dealer or two...

Originally Posted by SBD4

Got this in the inbox tonight:

Can't have been that rugged...didn't test it in Australia! Oh well...Africa is close enough.

Cheers

Originally Posted by SeanMurr123

I think this is the most realistic comparison ive seen in the many pages of bickering in this thread.

The new Defender wont be targeting dual cab utes (because it's not a dual cab ute) or 70 series cruiser (because Toyota is just running out the clock on that anyway). This is the market they will be after.
If you want a nice tractor then the current ones will be around for a very long time. I'm not planning on selling mine anytime soon and with 70k on the clock it's no worse than when it was new. If you need a tough work vehicle than you will have to start looking at the light trucks (Isuzu, Fuso, Iveco). It's just progress and the way the world works and no amount of moaning on the internet is going to change that.
You should just be thankful that they continued to make the old one for as long as they did. At 20,000 units per year or whatever it was they were able to make it would have made financial sense to ditch it many years ago.

Out of curiosity.. How may of the haters have actually bought a brand new Land Rover in the last 5 years? At the end of the day they are a company that needs to make money and they make no money off people who buy 20YO TD5's and D2's.

Disagree. They make money of such people indirectly because it frees up the seller to go and buy a new LR...I lot of Defender owners would not buy a new LR unless they could move their old one on for reasonable coin. Don't also undervalue the value of having iconic shapes of the brand scooting round 20, 30, 40 years on such as D2 and Defender....that's what keeps LR.iconic, keeps interest up, is the reason Disco Sport has so many LR and Disco badges and decals on it for e.g..

Cheers

Originally Posted by blackrangie

I think the point he was trying to make was dont hate modern LR's unless you have tried it.

This is their most impressive 4x4 currently imo, my fav is exit of water crossing at 5mins.

YouTube

At the same time as much as i would love to have many of the new JLR cars, nothing has compelled me like the New Defender.

Land rover have redesiged the new Defender to modern standards becuase they HAVE to, to be able to keep it in the market.

They built it to be extremely capable offroad, onroad and have a full EV version coming, which will be a newer more comfortable and reasonably reliable version of what you have built.

In the meantime they give us Hybrid which is also the most practical for touring+day to day short trips in AU.

Based on your series build and how passionate you are with electric 4x4s, people could be forgiven for thinking this would be right up your alley.

However I get the bare bones attraction for you with the Bollinger, but for many reasons its not for me, there is also no guarantee when it will be avail, if its coming to AU or what if any safety it will have.

Rivian would be more likely to hit AU before Bollinger, thoughts on the Rivian? I like the RRC looking one, but full EV would not be practical for me for the touring i do at this stage.

The problem with 'modern' 4WD's and modern cars in general, the "improvements" through successive models are not necessarily what the Motoring Public needs they are pushed upon us by marketing & 'blokes' in Lilac Jackets

IMO Hybrid is a mistake, they are simply a emissions cheat / workaround, will be frowned upon in a 10 years. Either your small battery & motor is carting around all that ICE junk = less efficiency or the ICE is burdened with the extra weight of battery , combines the most complex & worst of ICE & Electric in one lump. Bad idea all around but Im sure people will jump on them to make themselves fell good thinking they are helping the planet. Again marketing works. Look at the stupid Toyota Self Charging baloney.

Rivian may very well hit AU before Bollinger, but it's not my cup of tea for the same reasons the LR2020 looks like it wont be, nor are most modern cars. I realise no one is going to build a vehicle just for troglodytes like me but the Bollinger is very close to my ideal so I'll wait for it. (but the wait wont be as long as you've been waiting for your new "Defender" .)