Won’t be retro...

Ean Austral · 4th May 2019, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by SeanMurr123

I think this is the most realistic comparison ive seen in the many pages of bickering in this thread.

The new Defender wont be targeting dual cab utes (because it's not a dual cab ute) or 70 series cruiser (because Toyota is just running out the clock on that anyway). This is the market they will be after.
If you want a nice tractor then the current ones will be around for a very long time. I'm not planning on selling mine anytime soon and with 70k on the clock it's no worse than when it was new. If you need a tough work vehicle than you will have to start looking at the light trucks (Isuzu, Fuso, Iveco). It's just progress and the way the world works and no amount of moaning on the internet is going to change that.
You should just be thankful that they continued to make the old one for as long as they did. At 20,000 units per year or whatever it was they were able to make it would have made financial sense to ditch it many years ago.

Out of curiosity.. How may of the haters have actually bought a brand new Land Rover in the last 5 years? At the end of the day they are a company that needs to make money and they make no money off people who buy 20YO TD5's and D2's.

I wouldn't say I am a hater , a hoper is more correct, but, I just see this as morphing towards a D4 clone , which isn't such a bad thing.

As an answer to your question, L/R would have had my hard earned this year if they had an option other than the current crop of clone vehicles , I went and test drove a couple just to see if my opinion would change but it didn't so in the end the D3 got a $5k birthday and it will be kept until after the initial rush on this pretender defender and I get to see if its something that I want.

As for how and what they make money on , they don't seem to have much vision for something different and there seems to be plenty like me who L/R have turned away simple due to the choice and price structure of the latest offerings.

Cheers Ean

**Homestar** · 4th May 2019, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by blackrangie

The 79 is a dinosour that is going to be extinct in a few years anyway.
Mines won't touch the dual cab as its not 5 star safety rated.
However they still sell well so who knows.

Defender is future proof,with its current safety, current emissions and future emissions in its design.

Ill admit i like the look of a done up 79!

Will be interesting considering the D5 is getting commercial contracts with governments what deals the tougher New defender will get.

I don't think they will be chasing mine contracts. They will get enough sales with everyone else imo

I already pointed out in this thread that Mines DO use dual cabs - Hiluxes - certainly in the Mines I work in and around - and they ARE 5 star rated. You have a short memory.

**blackrangie** · 4th May 2019, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by ozscott

Yeah....60k...wishful thinking Blackrangie. I would love to see the range start at 60k but it's a pipe dream I reckon. Anyway as always time will tell.

Cheers

Huh? Think you replying to wrong person

**blackrangie** · 4th May 2019, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Homestar

I already pointed out in this thread that Mines DO use dual cabs - Hiluxes - certainly in the Mines I work in and around - and they ARE 5 star rated. You have a short memory.

79 dual cabs where the only thing being referenced and we were not talking about Hiluxs at all in context of this discussion, is there a need to be rude regarding my memory?

**ozscott** · 4th May 2019, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by blackrangie

Huh? Think you replying to wrong person

Yes sorry. My reply was to Discomick. In fairness to Mick he didn't say the Deefer would be 60k.

Cheers

**blackrangie** · 4th May 2019, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by ozscott

Yes sorry. My reply was to Discomick. In fairness to Mick he didn't say the Deefer would be 60k.

Cheers

No wozzas, My "guesstimate" would be base $65k, however swb and ute versions could go lower.

**roverrescue** · 4th May 2019, 04:26 PM

BR
If a base model zero options Discovery Sport
Ie no low range no real off-road cried as spartan as a LR can get is $62 driveaway

Is an estimate at $65 a bit low for the Australian market

With the Uber marketing this thing is getting it surely can’t be pegged at soccer mom level

S

**blackrangie** · 4th May 2019, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by roverrescue

BR
If a base model zero options Discovery Sport
Ie no low range no real off-road cried as spartan as a LR can get is $62 driveaway

Is an estimate at $65 a bit low for the Australian market

With the Uber marketing this thing is getting it surely can’t be pegged at soccer mom level

S

Base is bare bones.

Disco 5 base is: $72k

Last year and year before was much lower

Imo they've pushed D5 closer to RR in many ways, i believe JLR are on record as such from memory.

This now leaves the gap for the new Defender both in pricing and market.

Disco sport (LR's biggest seller in AU at the moment according to my dealer) looks to be: $56k base. (Very underestimated car imo, can still sleep in back of it)

Who knows i could be wrong and it could have identical D5 pricing.

**roverrescue** · 4th May 2019, 04:51 PM

Might be $56 in some way shape or form
The only price that really matters is driveaway price
Which for a bare bones disco sport is $62k

Unless they drop the disco sport price and bump up the D5
I just can’t see it start at $65

My predictions

First release in Australia:

mid wheel base model
6 seat
4 cylinder engine
Coil springs
Base $80 drive away

Air spring up spec model $92k

Bigger engine
Air spring
Bells and whistles $102k

Shorty model only available in top spec
$95k

Let’s just see!!!

S

**Arapiles** · 4th May 2019, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by roverrescue

BR
If a base model zero options Discovery Sport
Ie no low range no real off-road cried as spartan as a LR can get is $62 driveaway

Is an estimate at $65 a bit low for the Australian market

With the Uber marketing this thing is getting it surely can’t be pegged at soccer mom level

S

So, if $80k is too much for the new Defender, how are people spending $80k on Amaroks and $125k + on blinged up 79 series? The Patriot Camper 79 series trucks are north of $125k, and that's before they make them 6x6 ... just noticed that they now have chopped LC200s starting at $164K and Rams from $215k. Who's paying that money?

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